Deborah Pardes
@DBPardes · 2:14
How might you feel about living with an UNARMED police force in the US?
But if you do a little research online to look at how countries without guns in their police force run, it's staggering how that trickles down to a more peaceful society. So I'm going to post something that's about ten years old, but it's a really great interview with a cop in England. It's about eight minutes long, it's worth a listen. And even though it's ten years old, I did some statistics searching and it looks like it's the same today
Deborah Pardes
@DBPardes · 1:22
So, of course, again, it's fodder for the idea that, oh, my God, if the cops weren't armed, we would just have a war. People would be shooting up everybody left and right. I didn't put my opinion out there because it's so utopian, because I guess I'm going to do it now
And if there's not a lot of trust for anyone except self then how do you move forward? So think that's something that other countries do have a leg up on us, but I don't know. Again, I'd really like to hear other thoughts on this
Deborah Pardes
@DBPardes · 1:02
I do too. I want to hear more thoughts, so I'll keep this response short. But thank you so much for your thoughtful and unique perspective in terms of what you have imagined. The comment about individualism being at the core of this issue, I think you're right. You know, just the kindness to others is the core. Like, if you truly are oriented towards a communal sense of kindness, so much would just fall away. I don't know how to get back to that
So once he was able to unjam his gun, man, it was over for her. So she had a pretty quick draw and she got lucky because his gun did jam. So she was able to hit him with the Taser gun, but at the same time, she didn't get lucky at the end because now, if she had a firearm, if she had a gun, oh, yeah, she would have been able to put them down for good. But unfortunately, they don't carry
Hey, I forgot to mention. So that last post that I made, check out the link that I posted. I would love to hear your feedback on it. It'll give you a lot more detail about that incident that took place back in 2013, if you're curious to read it
Dewuan .
@FryedOreo · 4:41
Interesting question, one that has been pondered before. And we often look towards our fellow sovereign nation that once ruled over us, that being the UK and their practice of non lethal force, which works because they have strict gun policies, even weapons, dangerous weapons policies, to which citizens have to add here, too. Now. Yes. Okay. Be careful playing out there. Now, of course, some people still have guns and dangerous weapons, but it's not the norm there
So right now, because we have guns, alright, we're seeing a lot more shootings. You remove guns, then it's going to be something else. People will figure out a way to get their rage out. And I just think it's sort of built into our culture. I think the country was founded on violence and racial biases in every direction
Anthony Clinton
@phillyclint · 3:14
I don't want to see her put in a situation which she can't defend herself against other people that definitely don't follow the law and definitely swell be armed with more powerful weapons that she might even have herself right now. We got to come up with creative solutions to the situation that we're in right now. I do believe that we do need to have less guns on the street. I just don't know how to get to that point right now
Deborah Pardes
@DBPardes · 2:12
Why does this conversation have so many of us scratching our heads? Because nobody wants more death and destruction in the culture, right? But we see that there's mind boggling lack of care for human life. Sometimes it feels like when we have the conversation, it's more about individual liberties than the safety, public safety issue. I like that we are all feeling the sort of pull towards that utopian vision, but also grounded in what is real and what is happening in our culture right now
However, I am aware of some of the issues that are coming up in America and some are good, some are brilliant, some are less than the issue of policing without guns. I don't have to go to the statistics because you've already covered that and you did that brilliantly, I think. And I only came on not to delve too much into it, but I wanted to show this one little aspect. But before I do, let me just highlight something
Swell Team
@Swell · 0:15
Deborah Pardes
@DBPardes · 2:13
And how do you fight that indoctrination in TV and video games and everything that's streaming around us? I don't know, but I think you're right. I think it's about who has the guns. I think it's about who's talking about guns, and it's about the indoctrination, and it's about the I'm. The consistency of that messaging that comes from so many different places to Ireland sounds better and better every. Danny? Yeah? Thank you for your contribution here
Lara Kline
@Vocalizah · 4:58
Yeah, this is such an interesting question and I and I'm sure that lots of us have sort of thought about this in some way recently. I mean, I it's so weird because because here, I certainly wouldn't consider myself somebody who will always side with the police, I think, especially considering all the things that are going on here. And there's a big it's almost trendy to be anti police officer right now
Lara Kline
@Vocalizah · 1:06
It's almost like everyone's just sort of half a**. Like the people in charge of taking care of this stuff, they're just kind of like they're not invested in it. And I realized that there's a restriction there
I was curious about some of the statistics and numbers, and so I found this link. And it talks a little bit about who's done various studies and how they've formulated their numbers and put them together and so on. And so I thought I'd put the link here for anyone else who might be interested
He is still working on this chip that can be implanted into your head so you can surf the web and stuff like that. But who knows? Maybe they can learn how to manipulate the mind. Maybe they can somehow find a way to control aggression. Maybe we can get there. But until then, I think we need options. The people should have options if they want to defend themselves or not. I saw videos not too long ago, a woman defended herself from a man with a gun
Katie Callahan
@katiecal · 1:11
If we had tighter gun control laws, we banned guns, assault rifles, that kind of thing, then the police wouldn't necessarily need guns anymore, because there would be less guns that they were faced with that they would have to battle with. And yes, of course, people will still find ways to acquire weapons or purchase weapons illegally
Jack .
@zejacques · 4:27
But that same energy followed when the police were used to enforce Jim Crow laws. And I think we can kind of recap it there, as the rest is history. So if the origins of the police in America are based around keeping white people comfortable and keeping black people oppressed, and that hasn't changed that structure of police, then can we really expect the culture of police to change? Point number one
Michael Slade
@Freshslade · 2:29
Hi, Deborah. I love this swell because it's so controversial and so interesting and it's a hot topic for me. But as a black male in the US. I'd feel so, so much more safe and so much more protected, because personally, I don't like guns at all. Kline I don't even like when I see a police carrying a gun because it's just a quick reminder to me that I could die if somebody decides to let their ego run rampant
Deborah Pardes
@DBPardes · 1:38
Hey, Michael, you know, I just everything about your reply, you've spoken similarly to some other individuals on this swell. But I just when you say you wouldn't call the police, I just isn't that broken? It breaks my heart. Everything's broken about that. Kline what if you needed the police and you calculate in your head and you say, no, I don't feel safe. I don't think they're in control of their own behavior
Hey, what is up, man? How's it going? So, yeah, I want to piggyback off what you said about policing in the United States, the history of it. So the policing in the United States didn't really have its origins until, like, the 1600. It was in Boston. They were night watchers. Their job was to protect the settlement, basically
Doni The Don
@DoniTheDon · 4:49
We need to know it as if our life depends on because it does. It's not just politics. It's a difference between if you're actually a criminal or not. So the police being trained by the Constitution when they took the oath don. That's one part of the solution. And that's in making sure they're held accountable on that. And two, holding ourselves accountable on knowing what those laws are
Deborah Pardes
@DBPardes · 3:03
But if I was a black man, no way they would consider it arrogant, especially because the cop probably doesn't know these amendments as well, didn't commit them to memory, and just feels embarrassed and feels like the person is being aggressive and a smartass. I could see that more of a scenario than anything else, which really upsets me and worries me. And also just to talk about the fear we have that the government needs to protect themselves from a militia coming towards them, for sure