"Objectivity" is a farce.
Now, don't worry. I'm not going to get to the ins and outs and all the complexities of it, just the ideas around it. So we hear that the Big Bang happened and poof, the universe expanded from that single point. But did you know that is not the current understanding. Instead, I talked to Carl Sagan's former PhD student. His name is Laird and he hangs out in clubhouse and we talk about all sorts of science things or space universe things. Very cool
Arya Sunyata
@theheartdrive · 4:56
All minds are individual and so they are subjectively experiencing something that is always changing in every moment. So this concept of objectivity tricky because the concept of mind itself is quite elusive. I'll make reference to my framework, which is a Buddhist concept of mind which has a wide range of meaning. It includes sense perception, verbal and abstract thought, emotions, feelings of happiness, unhappiness attention, concentration, intelligence and all mental activity of every type
Because there's this constant evolution and changing not only because it's a ball of gas, but if you fast forward a few million years, it's not going to necessarily be the same size. There's going to be change to it. Parenthetically I read this really fascinating Sci-Fi book where the planet Earth was enveloped in a time bubble, let's say
Swell Team
@Swell · 0:15
ROBERT BEST
@ShamanicPoet · 3:42
I can't immediately think of any off the top of my head, but I suspect there are exceptions to that statement, that there are things that we can objectively say are true. But, yeah, even though I say that, I'm not sure
These are just theories or ideas that were once held that some people still hold. But it's the same kind of thing. You ask somebody, do we live in a simulation? Just theories and ideas, and people can come up with different opinions. But until we know otherwise, there is only so much utility to them. And presumably in our lifetimes, we're not going to have answers to these questions. So who knows if humans ever will?
Mtwadamela Ijogo
@Mtwadamela · 2:52
We can't even comprehend it because even in our minds, we're trying to say it's forever. It doesn't have a time limit, but we're still in our mind, we're trying to put a kind of a time on it because we have to in order to try to grasp it. Because there's no way you're going to grasp the abstract concept of forever. Time without an end. It's just too much. But objectively, I look at objective and subjective like this
Thanks. Mtwa I could see the example you're describing of a man riding a bicycle down the road as being described as objective. I think I would hesitate to use the word, but I could see it being used in that context. And the reason I would hesitate to use it is because it all depends on where the individuals are perceiving the man on the bicycle. Right?
ROBERT BEST
@ShamanicPoet · 4:32
He'll focus on what he thinks is important, and he'll dial out some of the things that I've said that are irrelevant, and then he goes and writes it up. And the chances are there's an abstraction there as well. So by the time you get to anything that gets to court, let's say, or that gets onto the insurer's desk, it's massively abstracted
I love this because it sort of, in my mind, reinforces a few things of there's not only the micro and the macro perspective, not only the threedimensional perspective, the time perspective, but then all of those infinite points of perception and how we make meaning and then how we translate it and write it down and pass it on. And like all of these, ah, moving pieces, so to speak, are all a part of, quote unquote, what is?
But you know what I mean. That is something we should consider. I'm sure there's a universe where even the math that we have devised does not make any sense. So I think we should always keep some room for the devil's advocate and take literally everything in life with a pinch of salt. Nothing is for sure. And sometimes simply a change in outlook or looking at something from a different angle completely changes our notion and our value system of what's right and wrong or what's acceptable
Maybe if someone says that their goal is to, I don't know, lose weight, let's say, or their goal is to become a more forgiving person or whatever whatever the goal is if the actions that they're taking the ways that they're speaking the way that they're conducting themselves do not align with that goal, then maybe we would say that that path is not the quote unquote right path or needs adjustment. Right?
Also, if it adds anything, the rooms that fill my hallway tend to be around philosophy, theism and atheism, science, tech, these sorts of things. There's other things sprinkled in there, but that's the majority of what fills my hallway. If that plays into anything when you are considering returning or looking at the hallway and so on
Also, my other favorite word is infinity. So I guess that also ties into both of our concurrent list of favorite words because infinite possibilities, infinite complexities. I mean, we could go on and on about it, but you know what? Objectivity is definitely a fast in today's posttruth world because nobody can agree on what the truth is on anything. There are so many flat earthers and all kinds of bizarre conspiracy theories for every d*** thing under the sun
But because of that, in a world that does not embrace the infinite possibilities or the complexities and nuances, then it's almost like seemingly impossible to get to blending of these two sorts of ideas. But maybe that's just my pessimistic view today because maybe it can. Maybe it can actually. But I suppose like anything, there's a tipping point and once you reach that, it's harder to bring it back, it's harder to write the ship when it's tilted too far