How would YOU go about building Swell, about keeping people wanting more?
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There's no real human connection there, so it gives you something to do. But scrolling scrolling scrolling is not satisfying in any sort of way, but creating a connection and exercising our imagination. There's so much to be valued and found there. When I think about approaching groups, there are a few reasons why we would do that. One is to bring more people to the platform
I just think that right now we have this lack of equilibrium going on, and we need more types of the conversations that people keep coming back for more, either to hear where the direction of other conversation is going or to dive into themselves. And I think that when we have more of a balance at this point in the growth of the app, it will allow us to attract different types of people. And that's what we need, right. More people, more ideas, more diversity
Deborah Pardes
@DBPardesΒ Β·Β 2:43
I love your analogy of a campfire, the right nitrogen and oxygen and kindling and breath, and I'm going to add a little love to this conversation. I'm glad I had the chance to listen
And I hope that there will be great growth and so that we can end up with those millions of people so that we can have all of these diverse conversations. But from my perspective, I don't see that diversity right now or enough diversity for me to stay, or if I was new coming to the app that I would stay. And I think that's where my concern stems from
Shahnaz Ahmed
@bookishpodcastΒ Β·Β 2:17
If they do. And by then, it's the whole flavor and the feeling of what I thought about what my question was, it's already gone. And, you know, that element of swell is just that delay of conversation. It's kind of like snail mail. You know, it's once email came up, nobody writes letters anymore. And why? Because you could just do an email. They get it right away
Hi Shanaz I did get a Ping but I was in the middle of something and I couldn't chat at the time. So if you want to Ping me again later because it looks like you're in a room busy at the moment. Go ahead because I I should be available
Howie Rubin
@HowieΒ Β·Β 0:41
I would be more than happy happy to join in on a conversation with you guys to see if we can come up with some ideas that would really help Swell grows its user base
Chi AnonΓ―
@Chi_AnonymousΒ Β·Β 3:51
But you are not my friend until I ask you to tell me a story and I force everybody to do it. And I feel like Swell could be a place to just use your imagination and start off with like, I don't know what topic. I like stuff like that
I much prefer the interaction than the emojis. It's more about the back and forth. As to your question of whether I have invited anyone or not. I've done it via phone calls, emails, text messages. I've done it on social media via Tweets or videos and photos on multiple platforms
Chi AnonΓ―
@Chi_AnonymousΒ Β·Β 1:28
As I asked for a multitude of my friends who I think would benefit from the platform in, particularly because they like audio and other like me being extra and using my voice. But honestly, a lot of people that I know personally don't feel like the climate suits them. As far as where we're at currently on Swell, they don't feel like there's enough. I don't even know the word
And I also have friends that are in a similar position where they don't have an iOS device so they can't use clubhouse. But Swell is not providing the type of conversations that they're looking for either. I don't think that's the only reason and why I can't convince anyone to come to Swell, but I do think it is a contributing factor
Chi AnonΓ―
@Chi_AnonymousΒ Β·Β 3:07
So regardless if you respond, most people do listen, I think, and they might skip over it. They might not feel any type of way about it, but I just put my voice out there. So for me as well as a place to put my voice out there and simply post ghosts. And I oftentimes delete because that's just my nature on any given app. But I do like engagement
Neal Damiano
@NealDΒ Β·Β 1:49
But either way, it's fun and you take the feedback on what you get and that's just the way it is. The culture today. I guess it's just very hard with trolls and cancel culture. People are scared to comment, provide feedback, and sometimes the ones that do are just there to mainly antagonize you. So it's just other cancel culture and all this stuff we live in today that just makes it difficult, but I don't let it sway me
Neal Damiano
@NealDΒ Β·Β 3:30
It's just really hard to generate conversation on here, and I think it's because it's not our content. I think it's just because the culture that we live in today is just not a motivating culture and no offense to anyone. It's just that people are in fear of speaking their voice and these kind of things and leaving a comment and they're just zooming through. It's a fly by night society zooming through and just okay, I listened to that
It's maybe a self expression of some kind or sharing a moment that I captured right where on Twitter, maybe it's sharing a thought or a link, just something to consider. But when I'm here on Swell, I'm looking for something entirely different. Again, it's not about creating content so much as it is
Neal Damiano
@NealDΒ Β·Β 0:57
Okay. Seeky plum. So you're looking for intense, meaningful connections on a let's just call swap. A social network can't really relate to that too much, but good on you and hopefully you find it and good luck with it. I don't use it really necessarily for that. So there's different things we're using it for
Neal Damiano
@NealDΒ Β·Β 2:07
And again, let me just reiterate seeking plum is that I'm on the same wavelength as you, but maybe not so much as a deep, intense conversation piece says, I'm just simply talking about dumb film, but I essentially want the same thing you want, but I'm not finding it on here either. It's like when I post something up about film, I want to engage in a full conversation and some of the posts I have had that
I think on this smaller platform, you and I are both sort of offering more niche conversations, which makes it somewhat difficult because not everyone is going to be interested in an in depth conversation about movies or an in depth conversation about, say, philosophy or whatever. There's also a difficulty in bringing people to the platform when the Swell buffet table is limited in the options that are available from the topics to the types of conversations, the volley versus the say your peace and leave
Neal Damiano
@NealDΒ Β·Β 3:36
I agree with you, and I disagree with you. To an extent, I think that's a lazy excuse, and I'm not directing it towards you seeking plumbing. I just think that's a lazy excuse, people say, because people love to talk about film. I know they do. It's not the topic, so to speak, seeking plum. What I'm trying to get out to you is that it's hard to get anybody to do anything nowadays, even stuff they enjoy
Just as an example, someone invited me to watch a season of a television show with them, and it was going to be about 26 hours of television. I don't make that kind of commitment to even my closest friends and family. And so the idea of making a commitment like that to somebody I hardly know seemed like it was an even bigger commitment than it was. Even though it's very similar to what you're describing with your friend
Neal Damiano
@NealDΒ Β·Β 3:41
What I'm experiencing is a lack of motivation to participate in anything. And I think there are variables to that. Why it's like this because of just comment culture. It's just weird. And if you're trying to generate conversation, it's just going to be very difficult because culture is not like that today. And I don't know what else to do about it. The only thing you could do is just push your content and take the replay as they come
Then you throw something else at me, and I'm just like, wait a second, wait a second. You've unsettled my framework. And now I'm just, you're very perplexing, sir. Very perplexing. I can't figure out what generation you are referring to, but I appreciate the puzzle
Neal Damiano
@NealDΒ Β·Β 4:21
Those are not these type of kids. And if that's puzzling you, I'm sorry, but that's what I'm talking about is I studied decades, I studied media and I'm not trying to do it my own Horn, but I'm trying to give you an educational this generation other want stuff, flash, new, instant and on with the next new thing on with the new thing. The song is old
But the outcome of that is that Facebook has then had the ability to shift our culture, even if only by one or 2%. It's still significant enough of how we perceive each other, how we interact with each other, even our politics. And so if I look at the generations today and I have a hard time laying blame at their feet for things like how they might interact online
Neal Damiano
@NealDΒ Β·Β 4:32
And I'm just simply saying, for someone, I'm not even going to direct it at you, for someone to want to build a community of people that are motivated to respond and talk and have long form conversation in that age range or period. I'm not saying you are. I'm just saying if someone they're never going to get that because they're just not built that way. And I've experienced. And it's frustrating
Neal Damiano
@NealDΒ Β·Β 4:49
I think it's for the most part, not healthy for humans. Social media in some ways it's cool, but in other ways, it's just really bad, especially. I mean, Facebook. Yeah, of course. It's like fast food. It's addicting other sense of studies to create an addiction, of course, to distract people. I know all of this. Absolutely. All this stuff Instagram
I don't know that we're going to see exactly eye to eye, but I am I do hear you and and I thank you for this back and forth
Mark Francis Rahaman
@MarkRΒ Β·Β 4:53
It would have been easier to set up a Swell cast and they could ask for things, but I'm not sure if they want to ask her things in private. It might be so as well. The other reason was that the guest has already come on and done the podcast, and then we've done another two hour room in Clubhouse. I think it would have been a bit much
Mark Francis Rahaman
@MarkRΒ Β·Β 2:09
This happened a couple of times where I was so wrapped up in that conversation. It actually took every minute I got for three days. I was in Swell and conversations in the end, big conversations, but they kind of turned out to be pointless. And it's a little bit different with Twitter spaces and Clubhouse, more Twitter spaces. I'm finding that it's a little bit more intimate and making really good connections
It's something that I think if I get to a point like I have no interest in doing podcasting anymore or branding myself in any sort of way, et cetera. But I think it would work with whatever conversation we're having over there on Clubhouse, I think I'm going to try it. Yeah. Anyway, I think you highlighted a lot of great reasons why to use the different apps and also the understanding that there are a lot of social app and it can spread us too thin sometimes
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