Imagine, real change! Connection over division.
Like you want to talk about a holistic way of approaching a systemic issue like the patriarchy this is wow. And so I'm going to put a link to that video and it's about the critic and the self critic and it's really about sharing perspectives and about criticism and how to receive it and what to do with it and how to work with it. And it was a really interesting video
Okay. That conversation is expanding in ways I never anticipated. I want to start collecting some of the links and books and references here as a way to come and find these things more easily because Swell is a little easier to navigate than the Asynchronous on clubhouse. And also this sort of creates a repository, a central place to just find those resources. And so this first link I'm going to put here is to an article that talks about friendship as a radical way of doing self care
This is one of the books that Adam read a quote from. I put the COVID here, as well as a screenshot of the book description to give you a little idea of what it's about. The author really digs into the evolution of the movement, the ideology of it just so much going back like decades. And it's really fascinating. Don't want to say much more than that because I don't want to put any accurate information out there, but putting this here as a resource
And again, I won't elaborate so as to put any incorrect information out there, but again, cover of the book, link to the book, and a brief description of the book as well
Hopefully I've got this right. Adam Read is a great quote from Audrey Lord intersectional feminist, philosopher, and so much more. I wrote it down. However, I could not find a reference online to confirm that I got the wording exact. But this is a close, simulacrum close copy of a hint of what Adam Read to us
But I'm wondering if, for each of us individually, if we aren't a part of those groups, how do we start to live and embody this different way of being? Like, we could say that the group is a more granular way of looking at how to accomplish or affect revolution on the grand scale, right? But I'm wondering if we go even more granular down to the individual, what decisions can we make in the day to day in how we interact with one another?
Adam V
@whentendimos · 4:54
There is a huge amount of patriarchy and even white supremacy that's been imposed into my kind of systems of thought. Oh, golly, I'm getting to the end of this now
Adam V
@whentendimos · 4:54
And so they do a ton of reading of Murray Bookchin and Social Ecology and integrating that in the sense that the ecological problems that we know coming into play right now are the ideas that those are actually social problems. And part of how we treat each other is related to how we treat the environment and vice versa. And I think that's an incredibly important aspect to consider and to work with
And because I can think of so many different kinds of mediums paint types or canvases and depending on how you use them, we'll get different results. But it also reminds me of how I think of communicating with others in that it's sort of this dance, this artistry. We are equipped with certain tools
But I think these ideas around how to see and raise children, how to view our environment, ownership, possession, dominance, domination, like all these different things, we don't even necessarily I don't want to say we don't necessarily, but it's like the fish that doesn't recognize the water is wet, which I think I've used that example in another part of this conversation
Although I love this quote. It's kind of the quote that you shared. It reminds me of this forest for the trees. But it's a much better, in my mind way of communicating it, because that phrase forest for the trees is such a confusing one to me, and yet I understand what it's trying to convey and it works. But, yeah, I really like this quote. Thank you
Adam V
@whentendimos · 4:56
They talked about and I think I had come across it before somewhere, maybe via David graver, but they really addressed it and it really hammered home the Roman law of private property, which maybe wasn't necessarily the first or anything, but it's very articulated. And they were saying that there's a direct through line from this Roman law of private property to modern laws of private property
Adam V
@whentendimos · 4:55
And what I mean when I say that I'm against patriarchy and anti patriarchal is the concept of ownership being related to that Roman concept versus it being you being a custodian or yeah, I mean, I think I'm going to go with that word because I can't think of the other one that I love using for it at the moment. But to be a custodian
Adam V
@whentendimos · 4:59
And so the culture is building a brain and building my favorite way to talk about teaching is it's setting up the conditions for breakthroughs. And so a culture brings forth, builds these rituals, ceremonies and ways of interacting that leaves room for, if not specifically sets up conditions for breakthroughs. And those breakthroughs are devoted to becoming our most whole self, to becoming who we are and by learning who we are not, by being told and coming to these realizations and then sharing that with the group. Right?
That community is so important to they were talking about tears and when our eyes water versus when we're crying tears. Of pain or grief and the the makeup of the tear, like molecularly if you look at what's in there, proteins and so on is different. And so when you are crying tears of grief or pain I think it was that one that has more protein in it, which means that they fall more slowly down your face than they do when your eyes are watering
And I thought, wow, it was like a simple sentence and I can't even remember what it was, but just totally shifted things. And I think that your responses here have helped so much because I know that there's a significant language is escaping me. Just a minute. Like an earth shaking shift in thinking. And it's almost like in having that, it shakes everything out. It starts to make more sense of again the pieces that I couldn't quite make sense of
That way you don't have to hit the at symbol and attempt to type in my username because you're right, that option all of these apps so imperfect. But you almost have to know more of the person's username than not in order for it to come up right. And yeah, anyway, I hope that was clearer than it sounded
Janel B
@Braver_Love · 5:00
I think it was you, Adam, that had said in the clubhouse recordings that referring to the kurdish movement, it expects a layered, complex expectation of maturity. And if you think of children or development emotionally within the lifespan. To go to anyone that is expecting of them more than they're emotionally in their maturation, able to handle, they're going to be unmet expectations. And so, to try to adapt, since we are dealing with a majority culture
Janel B
@Braver_Love · 5:00
And if there is a self protective aspect to a whole large group of people like that, and I don't mean this in a dismissive, sort of derogatory way, but just looking at the nature of what emotional maturity is, just objectively
Swell Team
@Swell · 0:15
Janel B
@Braver_Love · 5:00
And how many generations would it take to say that someone was even interested in getting to that? And we have problems right now. So the caveat and my understanding principally is. Can you realistically get a dominant culture. That approaches the world through violence and force. And is very centralized? So the whole narrative, the whole approach to what is important. Is centered around them as an individual. Principally, philosophically, order of the universe sometimes
Janel B
@Braver_Love · 5:00
And going to that base level understanding of intimacy, which feeds and factors into a broader concept of intimacy within the culture, is like those base level needs and taking versus being able to walk in one's own sovereignty and authority and engage with others and sort of be satiated. People who are able to exist within a community and meet all the levels of where intimacy falls. The statistics
And I think maybe leaning into the utopia sort of idea and love, and then we can reel it back into things that are more accessible. I don't know what that looks like exactly, but I'm just thinking, like that book about adult from emotionally immature parents, there's an awareness there that's offered, right?
This is going to sound like it's often left field, but I'm leaning into something a little bit here. I used to do these on clubhouse all the time and haven't done them in quite some time. But collaborative storytelling, where I would give, like, a paragraph or two to set the scene with some characters, and then each person in PTR order would add to the story 15 seconds at a time. And it's a silly game, right? There's nothing serious about it
Janel B
@Braver_Love · 5:00
And this is where lot of, like, I was having just a whole internal experience in terms of navigating love in these instances. And to me, that brings back to source what is the source of love, and I know mine. And so that
Janel B
@Braver_Love · 0:44
But there was an undercurrent in your tones and your communication style that I wanted to more or less tap into to try to figure out what it was that you were hoping to accomplish with those ideas that you suggested. So I'm going to see if this audio is a little bit better. So sorry about that
That's on an individual basis, but if we could look at within society, if we say that there is emotional immaturity on a grand scale, is there a way that we can. There seems to be a growing awareness that there's emotional immaturity, but how do we spread that understanding that there is, but also equip people in a different way?
And so, going back to the emotional immaturity, I was thinking, is there a way, maybe, without going to this massive, complex thing? I was thinking with that particular game, but could there be ways of gamifying or making it fun or cool or viral of something that seems like a game, seems silly, but. But ultimately creates connection, really removes the scales from our eyes, so to speak, to be able to see one another
Adam V
@whentendimos · 4:57
But I just wanted to put it here again because I think it speaks to a lot of what you were saying, janelle, maybe, and also what Christina was talking about and the idea that our ancestors and I'm using our in a very wide open way, human ancestors built ceremony, ritual, storytelling, activities, not just around having something to do or a way to compete or a way to show who's better, but as an actual way to build brains. Right
Adam V
@whentendimos · 5:00
And then I think at some point or along the way, we also get an opportunity to recognize that it's important to, and I just said setting goals that we won't reach, but it's also important to kind of set goals that develop themselves within the framework of the cosmological physics, right? And so when I say cosmological physics, I mean I'm not reaching for a place where I'm not suffering
Adam V
@whentendimos · 0:57
This is part of that long form efficiency. So I appreciate you all, both, everybody. And. Yeah. Look forward to circling back. Happy to know. Obviously, you don't need to wait until I come back in order to respond, but I'll leave it there
Janel B
@Braver_Love · 4:51
But I think, too, there's a qualitative aspect that I love to hold so that I'm not just skipping past, because like I said in a different note about intimacy, I have learned that chunking through information and also if I'm uncomfortable or sort of like kicking up trauma or trauma has been kicked up, then I will start to dissociate and distract and just land