LGBTQIA+ Community vs Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
And as I've said before, this kind of thinking, this quote unquote certainty or attempting to make sense of the world in a cut and dry way makes for more turmoil, more confusion, more frustration, instead of embracing complexity and nuance. And so I sort of want to come up with some sort of replacement for LGBTQIA plus community that is more inclusive, that is more efficient and is more effective and really embraces the meaning of what it is
Shehla Faizi
@iamatopodcast · 3:29
I think that is one of the reasons we have the acronym LGBTQIA Plus. It might be complicated for some people, it might be difficult for some people to pronounce. But the fact is it does give the impression of a greater deal of nuance than if suppose I had just used the word queer, which may or may not be used incorrectly to encompass the LGBTQIA Plus community. Again, I am probably not the right person to really speak on that
Arya Sunyata
@theheartdrive · 5:00
I don't know what's going on here, but it's almost like this desire to categorize it through language is a desire to control the phenomenon or to somehow give it a specific role in society, which is, to me, really counter anything natural or organic about it. I was looking back in history when I was in college, I did study a lot the sociology of sexuality. Our origins in terms of how we started defining these things are fascinating
Swell Team
@Swell · 0:15
I think that there is the same kind of idea when we're talking about understanding language. And here's what I mean. Like, if we look at me specifically Christina, and I'm standing or there's an image of me standing between us, right, and we start to list out all of the criteria or check boxes, categories, etc. That we're going to check off and say, these are descriptors that describe Christina
But none of it is completely right because like you pointed out with gender or behavior rather than identity and so on, I mean, if you start to talk about even the box of lesbian or gay, like there's all the little subcategories as well, right, of a bear or a twink or a pillow
Shehla Faizi
@iamatopodcast · 4:11
But even then, it sort of does not take into account that there's so many different sects and kinds of Muslims and beliefs of Muslims, even within the same sect and denomination, if you have to put it in any other way. So human language doesn't matter which language you looked at, is unable to really keep us away from boxes because and here's, this is where my opinion about this sort of comes in, is that most neurotypical people need things categorized in boxes
Just as an example, if you're looking at the body, and if you have someone who's looking at the circulatory system but they're not looking at, say, the vitamins and nutrients and hormones and all these other facets or the heart, or if they're only looking at certain aspects of the body, then it's very easy to say, well, check, check, check. There's nothing wrong with you according to common acceptance or ideas around the symptom you're having
Shehla Faizi
@iamatopodcast · 4:54
I grew up having seen them and they were demonized. That's the tragedy of it. But they were visible. But if you had to look at in Western context, it was just that the term gay was used, and even a lot more slurs before that, they were used in a negative context. And as language evolved, it was not just gay people. Then you had the awareness that they were lesbian people, those who were bisexual, trans
J.L. Beasley
@Her_Sisu · 4:57
Hey, it's JL. And you know what? I'm gonna be really honest. I have a very selfish contribution to your question, to your swell, which is, I really hope they don't change the flow of the letters for LGBTQIA plus community. Because, listen, do you see how slow I said that? That was like, LMNOP LGBT. LGBTQIA plus community. I literally just got the words, the letters in order correct in the addition of the plus
Dewuan .
@FryedOreo · 4:49
But with humanity, we will always simplify the most well intended labels. It will always be simplified because it's a label. Labels are meant to be simplified after they identify. But those people who identify in those labels see more than being simplified. And there's always a struggle to be heard, to be represented, not just in aspects of politics, but also in entertainment, in media. But that's not even enough. A Black Ariel was just introduced for the Little Mermaid
I was sort of contemplating a replacement for a list of letters instead. Maybe a word or two that would encompass the group. But you made an interesting point. I mean, if the AI can get Beyonce with the accent on her e, why can't they also do LGBTQIA plus so that, you know I know some times the phone will put LGBTQIA, but I think it's pretty much where I've seen it stop. Interesting
But there's additional mental gymnastics you sort of have to do to put it back together in your mind and be like oh yeah, that's a car. Oh yeah, that's this kind of car, etc. Anyway, when we break a group of people down into all of these little boxes it compartmentalizes
I didn't understand my attraction. And I still don't completely know, I think because people aren't just male and female and so binary as we think. I think that for me, what I am attracted to, I know is complex. I know I look complexity, I know duality. My spouse again, when I met them, still identifying most of the time as her in the world, but now saying was a better understanding of being nonbinary and masculine leaning their whole life
And I think that that's where we have to be sensitive because this is someone's identity and it's so hard to get here to get to a point where you're not even there wasn't even a term for you existing and stuff. So I personally identify as a female but as a lesbian. But the truth is that probably I don't even know sexuality wise. I like complex people of dual, I think gender expression. So that's a better understanding for me
I really appreciate this very honest response to Christina and our community. I think that you hit on something that's very important, and I'm sure it's true for all communities. I think this really is a puzzle that kind of needs to be solved within the community because anyone outside really couldn't fully grasp. And I don't think even certainly one group, a group of lesbians can't get together and decide what we're all going to be called a group of
But again, grouping together group, I feel that a lot of people closer to our age have more of this opinion that the labels end up that are intended to be inclusive, end up not feeling so inclusive. I don't think that that is the original intention, but I do think that that is certainly the overall result for many. Yeah, I could talk about this topic for forever and I do
Thank you. It's nice to know that I'm not alone. I sometimes think about if we're hands off with whatever it is we're looking at in this case language, and we just sort of let the dominoes fall. Will where they will the snowball turning into an avalanche or whatever, if we don't reflect on the power and significance of our words and if they are left unchecked, how they will continue to shape and form, I don't know
Binati Sheth
@Binati_Sheth · 4:41
I also am hopefully back on swear on a regular basis. So I'll definitely be responding to your response because I know you are responding to this. I now understand how to get Christina to Christina if that could be a sentence upsetting this question. Really like from a social standpoint, this question has slightly upsetting answer and I wish that wasn't the case, but I know it to be the case because I've been in these stupid as museums and it was sad, so sad
I'm sorry, thinking out loud, but that is perhaps another conversation and I can see how that might be disturbing to some. So perhaps not a conversation around this particular acronym, but instead maybe around ideas, let's say. Okay, you inadvertently took me down memory lane because I hadn't even thought of newspapers. But I do remember as a kid that I had learned that to post an ad they charged by the word
Binati Sheth
@Binati_Sheth · 4:58
So every group has made, let's say, terms that only they understand. And we would the bigger this community, the more prevalent these acronyms become. Right? And when the young people start using something, the young adjacent, you know, as millennials, we are like oh my God, we are still young at heart. Why do we not know what this word means? And I think I don't remember the movie, but it's like stop trying to make fetch happen, right?
And also I'm thinking about trying to make something that's quote unquote cool for younger generations as someone who is of an age where people often consider us old farts. You know, I'm Gen X. Coming up with something for Gen Z. It would be an interesting challenge. It might be a good thought experiment. I don't know if I would actually be able to succeed, but it would be fun to at least try
J.L. Beasley
@Her_Sisu · 4:41
But anyway, I have in other conversations reflected on the LGBTQIA movement, and I'm saying that with all respect, and I've compared it to the progression of race in the country. I'm in America. I'm not sure if you're in the United States or not. And what I've said is, geez, even the LGBTQIA plus community has leaped light years ahead of race relations for African American people of color, black people in America
No, I'm not going to tell you if I'm straight or not. Yeah, you know, I'm a man. I'm dating a woman. I'm not going to tell you. You could figure it out by yourself or try to assume, because they could be by who knows? But yeah, it's really an individual decision
AC complain. I just need to make one correction. So it's funny talking about the talking about the LGBTQIA plus community. I said homosexuality and and heterosexuality. I meant to say sexual orientation, so I just wanted to make that correction. I don't want to make it seem like there are different just two sexual orientations out there. No, there are multiple, so there are many, so. Yeah, I just want to clear that up
I'm still fascinated, I think, from a puzzle perspective, of what word, theoretically, I would like to describe or two words to describe the community. And then again, from the puzzle perspective, how to spread it so that it would catch on. Not that I think it would actually happen, but it's fun to think about those things. Yeah