And it became this culture of you took away my good coworker, my friend, and there wasn't that same sense of loyalty anymore. So it is a very tough environment to be in, and it does change your culture of the company for the short and intermediate term. Now the second time that we were going through this, we had just gotten off a company wide call. The CFO had shared the screen about the financial performance and had mentioned that layoffs may become necessary. What happened next?