It she's openly admitting this stuff. Nobody is coercing her. Nobody dug this information up. She said it out of her own mouth. How many other parents believe this same lie? That if I abuse my kid enough, it'll make them better? I don't know what to say, FAM. I don't know what to say. But I'd like to hear your thoughts
phil spade
@Phil · 4:13
And to lambast him on national television I thought was very harsh. And I started discussing this with other boxing friends of mine and we kind of came away with the same question. Would Sean Porter it's terrible what his dad said and how he reacted, but would he be the same fighter without that approach, without his dad being that way? Would he be that upper echelon Olympic fighter without that approach? And I think we have to ask that same question about Bud Crawford
Angela Kaye
@AnngieKaye · 4:59
But because I know this is a black person's thing, I'm going to put race in it for the less than half a percent of black men who ever make it to whether it's the major leagues, the minor leagues. The overseas leagues to get some sort of check for playing professional sports, for one. Success story, if you want to call it that. Because I'll talk about that too. There's so many others that never amount to any kind of success
You. This one's tough. This is real tough. On one hand, I'm probably old enough to beat this young man's father. And then on the other, short of putting the hit out on him, everything else seemed absolutely normal to me. I remember watching The Great Santini and partly getting mad and partly Mike, he got it easy, like when he's bouncing the basketball on the boy's face
Because your mom's standing there, so you got a little extra juice behind you, and they got a little extra fear, you know what I mean? They just want to get out of there anyway because they know what mom can do. I ain't saying it's right, I ain't saying it's wrong, but I can say this
Tanya Coles
@MsColes77 · 2:49
What happens the day his boxing career comes to an end and he can't go box it out in the ring against an opponent who is going to bear the brunt of that rage that has not been healed? That could be a serious problem. That could be a serious problem. I know that as a society, we look at it like, well, wow, at least he's doing something, quote unquote positive, with all that rage and anger. At least he's not out here killing anybody
Tanya Coles
@MsColes77 · 4:12
I couldn't imagine beating up my kids or having my kids beat up and thinking this is what going to make them strong. But I had another friend, had a friend who did the same thing with her son. She had four sons she was raising as a single mother. And she would scream at these boys. Not because they were doing anything crazy, she would just scream
Tanya Coles
@MsColes77 · 4:06
I'm not saying you got to go to that extreme, but why would you want your child to remember you by? How many times you hit them, how many times you slammed them up against walls, how many times you threw them on the ground, how many times you told them they were nothing, they would be nothing? How many times they tried to excel and you found flaws in everything they did because you did not want to give them any praise?
Tanya Coles
@MsColes77 · 3:41
That sounds like my childhood, my parents used to break things over my back and pick up furniture and throw things at me and beat me with all sorts of things around the house. And, man, this sounds normal. And it speaks to a much deeper, deeper systemic issue when we normalize violence towards our children. It's just very unfortunate. I'm glad he's doing well. I hope that during this time, he's able to get help
Angela Kaye
@AnngieKaye · 4:45
And this is a topic that listen, I know in the dating realm, in the marriage realm, we have so many black men that date outside their race and will never date a black woman. And black women are the first to say, well, how could you not? A black woman birthed you and raised you? And that is the answer to a lot of these men's questions. Dr. Dre first proposed it, and I remember seeing a nice it was a Facebook post by a psychiatrist
But, yeah, we will still be on the same topic if we talked about how courageous this man is for speaking about it, getting through it, becoming disciplined enough to be able to be a world champion. And no, rage doesn't help you in a fight. Rage hurts you in a fight. When you can slow it down and execute your game plan, that's when you're dangerous
So, you know, I'm glad we heading in a direction where this is being bought up, and I'm glad that he had the courage enough to bring it up, because someday he will have to stop boxing, and he could have a rage issue, maybe. But considering now, after he became the champion, instead of talking about his game plan or how they whipped on somebody's butt or talking Mike trash on a guy, you start talking about some things
Arthur Benitez
@Arthur_Dante · 4:58
He did it in spite of his mom, in spite of not being not having a family who would support him, in spite of not having that love and affection that every child deserves just by, just for being born. So this is a very sad story. It's heartbroken, it's heartbreaking. But I would like to say that there is kind of a thick wall between parenting and child abuse. I wouldn't say that there's a thin line
Arthur Benitez
@Arthur_Dante · 4:59
So you have to be very careful if you decide to raise your children with this kind of parenthood. I don't think that it's the best way. We now have other kinds and you should read a book, get a therapist, get a professional in place talking to your children before you try with violence because there are better ways to do so. It is not the correct way to raise a child
But in spite of that fact, he's still a successful boxer that has natural abilities that somebody's seen and honed into a champion, and the mother's actions weren't part of that. I mean, I'm just repeating myself, but I'm saying that's to say this. I can't stand where I'm standing and judge his mother unless I can reach out and offer her some help or she may be already getting help
I didn't have to because I had some information coming up about how to be a better parent before I even was a parent. But I wasn't telling other people with their limited resources what they should have done or what they did in today's definition, that's crazy week. That's crazy. You know what? I'm so smart, I would have wore a seatbelt even before they made seatbelts. I would have wore one. Don't that sound simple? I mean, come on
Arthur Benitez
@Arthur_Dante · 4:57
So, for instance, firstly, I would like to review what Tanya said originally in the start of the conversation. So she said that this woman, she says she's claiming to have to have acted in a behavior which we now qualify nowadays, we qualify it as child abuse. Like we are not talking just about some spanking whenever he misbehaved. We're talking about constantly and actively trying to push down his self esteem so that he wouldn't recover
So now if they said she was doing it today, I'd be like, yeah, she get some help for that now. But back then, there was no help for that now. Whatever she knew. And say somebody's mentally ill and then you say, well, you know right from wrong. That's just not true. He's getting the help. I hope she is too. But thanks for the conversation. Appreciate it. Bye