And if something is capable of having a soul, then does it deserve rights? Does it deserve the same capabilities and privileges that we as a human society hold for ourselves? AI has always fascinated me since I was very young, because the philosophical issues and implications for social structure that it holds. A lot of people think that AI is only worth pursuing if it makes a human life easier. But what do we do once we have that AI?
And yet if you can keep an AI limited in its abilities, in its capacities, then you can use it. It can still be functional. I definitely think, like, some of these things need to be thought out ahead of time
Thade
@mire_of_musing · 0:17
Hey, plum. I hope you're doing okay. As always, I found what you put forward thought provoking and interesting, and I am going to sit with it for a little while, and then I will further reply later. Again, I hope you're feeling all right and that you're getting rest, and I will talk to you later
Thade
@mire_of_musing · 4:59
But if an AI can replicate itself and essentially go on forever, then how are those thoughts and experiences truly something special to a, or akin to a human experience? I believe any life that has independent thought and independent experience is worthy of dignity and respect. And so in that way, AI, to me, even seeing the Boston dynamics robots hit with sticks just affects me to be very open about it. I don't like the idea of any. Anything at all with independent thought being hurt
Thade
@mire_of_musing · 1:03
But I myself do not have religion as a part of my life. And so, therefore, I try to be as careful and considerate as possible for both sides. So, I'm sorry there's so many pauses. I'm sorry there's so many breaks, but I hope that you can forgive me for that
And if any sort of virus or human influence of other sorts, we're kind of a bacteria of our own, right? We can nudge things this way and that, for better or worse, that may affect the collective thoughts or consciousness or whatever of the AI. So I don't know that it's necessarily a purer form, my thought at the moment. I mean, I don't know if that's where I'm standing firm or anything
And so, like, I wish I could remember. I know I did a swell that got into this more thoughtfully and more detailed, and I can't remember everything around this sort of thought experiment because it's now like couple of years old in my mind, but. And I can't remember what I entitled it anyway. From the perspective of the AI, it shifts everything of what's important and what's not. And that's not to say that we should value their lives any differently
Thade
@mire_of_musing · 4:55
But for me, it's very inspiring to be taken from one form to possibly millions of forms, and then back up the food chain to providing fuel for more thoughts to be created, if that makes sense. So we're largely in agreement there. The other thing that I wanted to touch on is that my husband and I had talked about. Why would an AI ultimately settle for a physical body? Because the physical representation is too limiting
Creative Reader
@MoonPoet · 4:48
So the consequences of, you know, playing with things we don't understand can be scary. And I think the general public shares that anxiety. There seems to be a great deal of nervousness and anxiety around the world that if you just look at message boards or podcasts or whatever, all this stuff that people use is social media, and everybody has an opinion or a concern about it. But we're past the point of origin, I guess, already
Thade
@mire_of_musing · 2:17
And then you brought up the point of physics and all these sciences that we've had for a long time and still, in many aspects, know nothing about even our own world. The oceans are less explored than we have with the cosmos. And when you think about that, it's mind blowing, because the cosmos is so vast, and we think of our earth as so contained, and yet there's still so much that we don't know
The first is called demon and the second is called freedom, but it's essentially like a massive, you could call it AI, some forms of coding, but essentially it doesn't have a physical body, but it uses social engineering and it uses humans basically to do anything and everything that it wants to do. So, you know, an AI, depending on what it wants to do, could either operate that way or if robotics continue to advance
Thade
@mire_of_musing · 4:20
Those two books just totally enraptured me when I was pregnant and when I was staying in the hospital, to be honest, I reread alone together while I was in the hospital because they got well, the second one's a little dry, but the first one really shows the practical implications for AI in our everyday life, aside from the war machine
And so I can see AI is being used in some of those instances, but it's like anything, right? You can hear about the good moments and the good things that are being done, but they often pale in comparison to the quantity of things that fuel the greed machine. And in some respects, I get that we are products of our environment. We are immersed in these things. And so it's hard for anybody to sort of break free from that
You can see potentially things coming, but how they ultimately shake out and what happens afterwards, that's almost. It's almost trying to look too far ahead, you know, because the possible decision trees or whatever becomes far too complex at some point. Anyway, I could see some of those disruptions as potentially being good to counter the momentum and power of the grade machine. But like the. What's that word?
Thade
@mire_of_musing · 3:34
But I really, as far as education goes, I'm somewhat excited to see the return of sort of this thought that a institution in a piece of paper don't dictate the limits of someone's ability, I guess, is what I'm trying to say, that you think of, like Abraham Lincoln or which perhaps that's a bad example because he had his own troublesome sort of bits and bobs. But you think of somebody who
Yes. Collateral damage. Thank you. And that is wild to hear about an AI doing tattooing. And I completely agree with everything else that you said, and you have a lovely day, too
Erica Jean
@HeyItsErica · 3:40
Hey, fade. I absolutely enjoy listening to your swells. And this one in particular, this might end up being a two part response. I'll try to be as brief as humanly possible. So after listening to all of what you said, it reminded me of the irobot series. Some people don't know that. It's actually a collection of short stories, and some people do know. So Isaac Asimov, he wrote a lot of the robot series
Erica Jean
@HeyItsErica · 2:48
What AI does is take facial recognition, relatable objects, and data. And when you ask for something, it tries to use what it knows from data to make something of its own and present it to you. This is no different than a lot of us who go to school for art or for creative writing. We take the data that we know and we create something different from it
Thade
@mire_of_musing · 4:57
Hey, Erika. So thank you so much for your reply. It was very thoughtful and considerate and the points well made. I just have two things that I'd like to speak on, I guess one being that I haven't read any of Asimov, and I know that that's a crime considering how interested I am in AI and how it could function within our society, but I haven't read it
Erica Jean
@HeyItsErica · 3:30
I just never started reading his books until roughly 2021 or 2020 when I read the irobot short stories. Now, it is true that the short stories, they take you to a different place in time for real. And in some stories, not all, but in some stories, I got lost a tiny bit and it could be just the technical language, or maybe I just need to read the stories over again to fully understand what was happening
