And so that just makes it tough because when I'm with a person I would regard as a friend, it's the last thing I would want to do is interview them. Just because, again, it's been a quarter century interviewing people for a career that when I'm not on the clock. And yes, I still maintain even in our society and even in this kind of a pressure cooker career that I'm in, there needs to be a separation where you're not on the clock