Now, I knew Julie because Julie was the boy's grandma. And for whatever reason, out of Julie's three children. She fixated on this one child, I guess, because he was an only child and didn't have siblings. She called me every day to check on him to see how things were relentlessly. And I was young, and at the time, I was highly annoyed by these phone calls. I cannot tell you because they were every day, sometimes twice a day