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Michael Zeitgeist
@Zeitgeist · 4:49

Covid-19 Public call w/Gov. Walz of MN. A (partially) unhinged rant with a few F-bombs.

And it is quite interesting that, of course, almost predictably one network runs counter to anything that is sensible and sense making and reasonable. Fox News, of course, being the culprit once again where two journalists, of course, had to hammer the governor on the idea that school sports and kids sports should be restricted. And they were, of course, all concerned that the kids could not finish up their full tournament season, and they have two or three weeks left to finish the tournament

#Covid-19 #schools #sports

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Michael Zeitgeist
@Zeitgeist · 1:21

Addendum: Probability of child death.

Let's say we have a thousand affected kids, and the mortality rate is zero. 1% of those who have gotten infected would eventually die. Which parent would voluntarily raise their hand to sacrifice the child? Because that's exactly also what's the outcome of this hellbent on keeping social functions and gatherings and sports, but disregarding the probability even as remotely small as you could possibly think of that their child might be one of the few children who dies now. Frame it from that perspective
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phil spade
@Phil · 4:59

The living vicariously mentality

Once a kid shows any ability in any sport, there's this rush to specialize and professionalize. We're going to bring in lessons. We're going to spend all this money for the hopes of what? For a D one scholarship, you'd be better off all the money that you spend in these specialized lessons. If you just put that in an IRA and you'd have more money than any scholarship is going to give you minus the big sports, football, basketball
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Taylor J
@Taylor · 3:02
I wanted to add to a couple things that were said here yesterday, zeitgeist, when I listened to your swell, I very much so sensed your frustration, and I too, am frustrated for a number of reasons. So I'm going to start with one thing that I think since the pandemic has started has been certainly amplified. And that is the inequality gap in youth sports. And what I mean by that is sports are made available to kids at schools all around the country
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Greg Dickson
@ElasticBD · 1:26

Asymptotic testing is key

And I think the real where the rubber is really going to hit the road, where people are going to lose their minds and lose their s*** is when the government gets testing so wide that they're testing asymptomatic people and those asymptomatic people that test positive get forced to quarantine their kids or themselves are going to be forced to quarantine. People are going to lose their s***. Well, there's nothing wrong with me. I don't have any symptoms
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Greg Dickson
@ElasticBD · 0:51

https://s.swell.life/SSGiOu2bRYR5Ucx

Hey, Michael, I'm posting a link to a recording I did yesterday. I thought I tagged you in it, but it speaks to a different survey, a study that was done of how people make moral decisions and then how to communicate with them. It is actually quite interesting. I think that comes into play in the things that you're talking about, because all of us need to figure out how to communicate with the people close to us, because then it ripples out
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Michael Zeitgeist
@Zeitgeist · 4:57
What I fail to understand, though, is why, for instance, Barber shops and hairdressers and retail in general is going to remain open, particularly since nobody really adheres to the distancing rules in those spaces. And I have, of course, in this case, only anecdotal evidence. But since I still go out and go shopping for certain things such as food and whatnot I can observe what is happening and draw, of course, my own conclusion that the distancing rules are not being followed
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Michael Zeitgeist
@Zeitgeist · 4:57
Now, the problem that I'm seeing here is really the American system, if you will, that insists that you have to, I guess, maintain no matter what, and that your savings will be everlasting. Because assistance is few and far between. Very hard to come by and usually comes with strings attached. Now. Conversely, looking into Europe, for instance, I talked with my dad earlier today who is in Austria
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Greg Dickson
@ElasticBD · 4:07

Testing of positive SARS-Cov2 Asymptomatic game changer @Zeitgeist @MerelyH

Asymptomatic testing asymptomatic testing asymptote asymptomatic testing say that quick, it will be the game changer because until we know who are actively carrying the coronavirus, until we know they don't have symptoms, we will never control the spread. Even with a vaccine, people COVID still potentially be carriers. However, if enough people get vaccinated, the virus will naturally die out because it can't replicate. So perhaps that is true. But the thing that is the game changer for all this is asymptomatic testing
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phil spade
@Phil · 3:39

All MN gyms have a low infection rate of 0.3%.

I really think that building up your good immune system and being healthy is definitely a great way to be Proactive against COVID, and especially as the weather gets nastier out, having an outlet to do that, I think is important and it can be done safely. And I don't have a problem going to a gym that I know that I can be socially distance with other people
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Michael Zeitgeist
@Zeitgeist · 4:57

@Phil @LifeOrigami

It's mesmerizing what's possible if people are willing to play along, and if government is actually set up to care about its citizens, as opposed to the United States, where many of the people did not play along, did not adhere to what the standards are, which is, in fact, why we have the problems that we are experiencing, and then certainly we have a government. That is, I would just simply say it doesn't care about its citizens or doesn't care enough
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@Swell · 0:15

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Greg Dickson
@ElasticBD · 4:13

Corruption exists in Canada 2, we label diff @Zeitgeist conscientious

Well, the cities don't want to pay us to haul the dirt and gravel away and then bring it back. They don't want to pay for the excavation. So we just agree to move it off to the side to do the work and then put it back so they would literally very gingerly dig so they wouldn't break the power line. But they had to replace the storm sewer, the sewer, the water supply power and burying all the Internet and cable lines as well
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Michael Zeitgeist
@Zeitgeist · 4:56

@LifeOrigami

Hey, Greg. Yeah, it does make sense. And evidence strongly suggests that that sense making is also applied in actuality, and those who are are good stewards of their health and well being are also acting in accordance
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Howie Rubin
@Howie · 2:38
I certainly believe that a healthy body is very important to the academic success of our kids, and I fully support sports and fitness. And Phil, I could certainly help you write a book about obnoxious parents, both and both good and bad coaches. What I found very intriguing about this. Well, and what it did for me is I actually sat down and I organized my thoughts and I kind of like to share them with you guys. We are in a catch 22
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Michael Zeitgeist
@Zeitgeist · 5:00

@Howie

Having played competitively for quite a while, I understand the amount of time and dedication and sacrifices that it takes to actually compete at a high level, and that's completely independent from whether there are scholarships tied to that. Just simply to play at a higher level requires time, effort, focus, and some things that are really hard to come by, such as an extended circle of friends, which usually goes by the wayside because you have to remain focused on something
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Howie Rubin
@Howie · 3:59
Just a couple of thoughts. First, with regard to sports, the importance of sports and the hard work that goes into sports. My oldest son was a national gymnast. He was a state champion of Illinois back in the early 90s, right after winning the state Championship, he blew out his knee and managed to get a scholarship to the University of Michigan. But he was only allowed to compete in the high bar, the Palmer horse, the rings and the parallel bars
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Indy Rishi Singh
@MysticScientist · 2:53
I mean, a vaccine based on mRNA. That's why it's never been done. There's no other virus in the world that our mRNA viruses that have been. We've been able to create a vaccine. So this is like for us to do it in a few months. It's kind of silly. And I actually hosted a debate a couple of months ago with scientists and doctors
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Indy Rishi Singh
@MysticScientist · 2:15
Because if their chronic illnesses are exacerbated, if the morbidities are exacerbated, they're going to be able to hold and retain and proliferate a virus. That's literally how it works. Like if people don't have a healthy immune system, the virus will grow inside of them. So if you really, really super care, don't worry about Fox
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Michael Zeitgeist
@Zeitgeist · 4:57

@MysticScientist

So they just gathered at home. And this is where the predominant transmission takes place. And of course, there is no way to legislate at home parties. But your point makes a lot of sense to just close down the liquor stores, because that's the stuff that people bring home to half the party. That's when the masks come off, that's when the families gather, that's when the transmissions happen
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Greg Dickson
@ElasticBD · 3:13

We have no actionable data in Canada, contract tracing, communication fail

Hey, Michael. So facts and data. We don't have it. It doesn't exist in Canada. We got exponential growth. I think you've got a sevenfold increase. It looks like we went from less than 1000 cases a day across the country. It was below 1000 cases in the summer. Now it was slowly inched up over 5000 cases a day. We're on the way to 10,000 cases a day
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Michael Zeitgeist
@Zeitgeist · 4:55

@LifeOrigami

Hey, Greg, actually, all the points that you mentioned are some data points, the increase in diagnosed infections and unidentified infections, the probability to go up to 63,000, which of course, is then going to be also translating into a greater death count. This is all data. I think the question is the granularity of the data in terms of where it actually comes from and even there. I think some data is present in terms of what is the infection rate
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Greg Dickson
@ElasticBD · 2:37

#nsfw pardon the f bomb the light at the end of the tunnel, a long way off

We normally any given year, 21% of Canadians get the flu vaccine in our province. We're like 28%, 29% year to date compared to the previous year, the same time. So more people are getting vaccinated for the flu. But if only a third or 50% of the people get vaccinated is still going to be a cluster f***. Excuse me. English, it's still going to be a mess and there's no short term
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