John Ivanka John Ivan Gill is a colleague and friend of Raphaelres here on Swell. And he's also been invited to the beginning of this conversation. And the excerpt that we were in a group conversation, group thread text, and Raphael was sharing us excerpts of the book. We were like, great dope. Wow. It's amazing. And then there was something that stuck out to me. I thought it was super powerful and also telling of our world and our times
And the real difficulty is to not overcome our oppressor, but to restore them. So the deepest divine challenge here is how do we restore our oppressors? And this is a question that is inspired by Paulo Ferrari and his beliefs of thinking that dialogue needs to be flattened as a paradigm. Like this discussion, there should be no hierarchy in this discussion. We should all be talking on the relatively same plane. We're equals. We all are valid. Our opinions are valid and equal
But if you can't afford that, because that's the price of a computer, then you end up having to go with a lower quality phone, which automatically indicates a hierarchy of means so that when you see others of an S 22, guess what, you know your position, you know where you're at. But on that same wave, there's another critique to that
And when we come together in dialogue and knowing thyself and knowing our own expression of the divine, we come to a better picture of the divine, of the Emago, of the image of God, of God in some ways. And that is where we see what's missing in that space and why the present if we're going to be true ontologically black the present, when we see it is not us, it isn't us
So that's the part that I continue to think about in these pieces, and that this author of this essay brought up fabulous piece, bringing back having us remember James Cohen in all of this, right and grateful for those words and having now it's spurring us to think again about a need to push back. But how it's done in the actual world is the question that we have to ponder
It'll manifest in some form or fashion in society because we're not resolving it, we're not dealing with it. We're not taking accountability of it. We're not taking responsibility for it. So thank you again, because that was definitely needed
