What do you think about retired politicians getting into pop culture? The specific two examples I can give are Bruce Springsteen and Barack Obama's new book, Renegades Born in the USA and Hillary Hillary Clinton and Louise Penny's new book, State of Terror
Dewuan .
@FryedOreo · 0:53
I guess there can be some ethical questions proposed in the terms of them being former congressman, that in some way they could be capitalizing off of their public role, the role they serve for the public. But I don't know. It's not really a big deal to me. So yeah, it's cool
My answer for this is probably a little bit more extreme than most people. When it comes to collabs like this. It actually makes me think less of the celebrity, and I think that part of that comes from the way that and this is something I've spoken about before, but the way that we treat politicians once they're no longer in office, there's a lot of revisionism that goes on. And I think that this is a part of that process
Swell Team
@Swell · 0:15
Melissa Mccarter
@lissahoop · 1:16
Or it was tempting to change our view of this guy softening being put out to pasture, basically. And it kind of makes him seem innocent and more wholesome than we had a feeling about him during the Iraq war. So yeah, that makes sense what you're saying about the rehabilitating, that there's kind of insidious aspect to this attempt that they're making. So thanks for your response. Again
Melissa Mccarter
@lissahoop · 0:30
Thank you for your response. It's interesting that you're calling them brands, and I haven't really thought about it in that way. But you're right. Especially since they're doing other deals. Obama, with the Netflix and Hillary. As for podcast and that they're having a brand like a multimedia brand, basically an industry and then themselves. But anyway, thank you for your response and making me think about this a little bit more. I he's
Jessica McMillan
@JLMcMillan · 2:37
Hi, Melissa. My apologies for taking so long to reply. Thanks for the invite. I did not see this somehow. I don't know. In my busy day, there were a lot of messages coming in, but I think it's a really interesting question, Jen, because I think often the discussion falls more around celebrities who are getting into politics, which definitely elicits very strong reactions and validly. So. But when it's the other way around. Yeah
Sontaia Briggs
@PKBriggs · 1:22
So yeah, maybe they are reinventing themselves. And I guess I'd say so what? Because we're always reinventing ourselves regular folks like us. Except we don't have the world looking at us and saying what is appropriate for us to be doing and not doing and what's authentic and what's in authentic. So I don't have a strong feeling about it one way or another. Good for them, I guess
Melissa Mccarter
@lissahoop · 2:40
And then Hillary, my understanding is that because of personal connections, the famous author of these mysteries, Louise Penny, and Hillary decided to connect and pair up about their particular interests. And I'm assumed that Penny did most of the writing and that maybe Hillary contributed to the storyline. But it seems like it's pretty goes along with Hillary's past being a Secretary of state and having a conservative or dysfunctional administration that comes after it and the consequences of that
Melissa Mccarter
@lissahoop · 0:40
What you're saying about them reinventing themselves. It makes me think about how it could be inspiring for young people who were motivated politically because of these people and that they're able to be inspired in their own lives to fulfill their passion projects. And the idea that making a difference isn't just something that occurs in politics. So I thank you for your perspective, and I kind of feel like you that maybe there's a good aspect of it
Jessica McMillan
@JLMcMillan · 1:20
And it'll be interesting again to kind of get into it and see what it's all about. But it sounds to me like these are passion projects, and I totally I'm along there with PK that reinventing yourself. Well, that's what it's all about. And we've seen lots of celebrities do that within their own trade. So this is really no different. It's just we're seeing another aspect of the life that we had seen in a much more narrow view in the past
Melissa Mccarter
@lissahoop · 0:43
I'm linking an article that you might find interesting on media that kind of clued me into the Louise Penny collaboration with Clinton. And I think it's a good article just in general. About the title is Hillary is Kind of Fat Now, and I'm here for it and the subtitles even better. And I think that it gives a little more context to why she's doing what she did and why we can appreciate the stage of life that Hillary is in right now
He is a vegan. He does a ton of stuff for animal rights. He's basically sunk himself into his podcasting life. He does a lot, and he has totally embraced the new Sivo while using the old Sivo as sort of a reference point for the tremendous amount of growth that he experienced and worked at as a human being, a human being with a ton of issues. Now I consider that reinventing yourself, but there are certain people that I feel are incapable of reinventing themselves
Tasha Frank
@NLOFrank · 1:16
And pop culture is a really good way of doing that, to show that more than just politicians, people buy into politicians doing different things because, hey, they're looking like they're a person just like me. They're into this or they're doing this. And I think I don't know whether I'm being a bit kind of cynical here, but I personally think that a lot of of politicians and celebrities and people who do things like this, it's all a show
Charlie Olivieri
@Charlieri · 1:13
And they want me to have that in a maybe a more pure way through art and writing and things like that, like connecting on a more human level. So yeah, that's just me throwing my little spanner into the works, I guess
Melissa Mccarter
@lissahoop · 4:17
It would be, in a sense, reinvention or expansion of their brand. It would be the idea that this is just another way to appreciate and enjoy them and be influenced by them. So you have a very definite opinion of Obama and Hillary that's so negative that I don't think that they could ever do anything to redeem themselves in your opinion. But from my perspective, I voted for Hillary. I voted for Obama
Melissa Mccarter
@lissahoop · 2:04
And that can be a certain amount of narcissism and megalomaniac aspects. And that kind of feeds into. What Taylor is saying is that he has a hard time because he sees these politicians is so narcissistic and megalomanic and maniac, and they have such a detrimental effect on society that this is just one another extension of that. It's motivated by the same reasons that were the problem. The reasons why they were not good people is just this is another extension of that
Melissa Mccarter
@lissahoop · 2:53
I'm so glad that you mentioned Meghan Markle and Prince Harry, because that actually came to mind when I was doing this. Well, but I thought it was like a complete tangent, but you're connecting it completely to what I was bringing up. And what's interesting about them is they're doing it almost as out of necessity because they don't have the financial support or the infrastructure they had when they were part of the Royal family