They probably could have won that one. But when they played the Bulls, the Charles Smith game, as they dubbed it, when he got blocked four times underneath the rim to make an easy basket, and they lost game five to the Bulls, who then beat them, and later in the series, and they moved on. All those little memories I have with him, talking about it, talking about it with him and my cousin and the Knicks were kind of the bonding point for us