I recently found myself in the company of very Liberal minded folks whose company I don't necessarily prefer. I just prefer the company of good thinkers. Sometimes those are Liberal minded folks and sometimes those are not. We were talking about this book called Stamped From the Beginning that I'm reading, and it became much more apparent that listeners on the conversation had not read the book. Now they have listened to lectures by the author. But what does that matter if it doesn't suffice to actually read the content?
But unfortunately, this is not to say that I or any of the people I studied with are necessarily more intelligent than someone else. But a lot of people don't understand those nuance to differences, and they don't take the time. I think this is the most important part. They don't take the time to try and understand those differences. That's the biggest problem here. It isn't a matter of one person being smarter than the other
Dewuan .
@FryedOreo · 4:26
Yeah, we had a conversation about this on Swell a little while ago, but it was different in its execution, as the person was more trying to understand
Charlie Floyd
@damonnomad · 4:45
They haven't come to the conclusion of creating a hierarchy where distance of Europeans are on the top, which gives them the reins of directing civilization in their minds and African Peoples on the bottom and array of different other Peoples in between. I am still interested in hearing what other people have to say. We have one more person who has thoughts. I will respond to that as well, but I encourage folks to just opine participate
Charlie Floyd
@damonnomad · 4:26
It's another thing to be kidnapped and have the access to knowledge of that new circumstance be withheld from you because it's a capital offense to read and then to have that penalty for centuries. While the people who have perpetrated that penalty go on and accumulate knowledge and shape society in such a way that you cannot access. So I do have a little bit of compassion for black folks
Professor Z
@Professor42 · 4:55
Specifically, I'm talking about in general Americans because we are all Americans, regardless of your color or your background or your ethnicity, things need to be broadened past black and white. There is a Gray area, which is a mixture of the two. These are my thoughts. Hope they make sense. And Taylor, by the way, if I may have misunderstood you or misquoted you, I do apologize. These are my thoughts, professor. 42 out
Man, I'm actually getting so curious about the juiciness of the debate, the conflict. I'm like conflict. Give me more. Tell me more. Just kidding, but not kidding. Kidding. But not kidding. My thing is interesting because I don't know if you guys know much about India, but India experienced a very interesting level of racism from the British
Dewuan .
@FryedOreo · 5:00
Mysticscientist. I wanted to reply to you because you, for me, made this conversation a lot more interesting because Professor Z or professor 42, I believe Leave is white. So your account is fascinating because you speak about your Indian people from India, the Indian people and their plight with the British, right? I believe over 100 plus years your people were basically subjugated and under the control, at least from a financial standpoint, maybe as well as freedom. And whatnot as akin possibly to Blacks. Right
Charlie Floyd
@damonnomad · 4:40
Well, I don't know that's something that I have not considered. And honestly, I'm related like to consider it because essentially Asian people are not running the racist system that we call white supremacy. Descendants of Europeans are. But that is something to consider when you're talking about antiasian hate, it's a real thing, and it's a very violent thing. And honestly, African Americans and people of Asian descent have a long history of violent contention in the United States
Charlie Floyd
@damonnomad · 4:52
Mysticscientist. Thank you for participating in this conversation. I'll probably have to respond to you and to swells. Hopefully not. The reason being is that I have something to read from a book called Caste C-A-S-T-E the Origins of Our Discontents, by Isabel Wilkerson, who has won a Pulitzer Prize for another book called The Once the Brothers Sons. And this is on page 21
Charlie Floyd
@damonnomad · 4:53
But the power is contained in the social relations of white people who have decided to relate to themselves in a particular kind of way and develop patterns of behavior and social relations in a certain kind of way by othering people that allow the child to express power
Charlie Floyd
@damonnomad · 4:37
If you leave racism as a matter of prejudice, and we just have kind of like these funny ideas, that's the only thing that we do. Well, ideas have effects. Ideas essentially change what otherwise in terms of phenomena would otherwise occur if it weren't there. You do have extraction of resources. But that's not the only thing
Tim Ereneta
@Tim · 4:22
We did a lot of reading on white supremacy, white privilege, and how that limits our well, not just our survival as humanity, but specifically, we will look at the length of faith. How can we profess to be espousing certain values of inclusion and equality when we are benefiting from white supremacy? That all being said. I will point out one little nitpicky thing
Tim Ereneta
@Tim · 0:45
Oh, my gosh, I love the idea of Schrodinger's racist. I work in the science Museum, and I get the metaphor right away. That clearly is a unique, useful metric by which to navigate. I can imagine it would be a very useful metric by which to navigate life in the United States
Charlie Floyd
@damonnomad · 4:48
And I think that for any Christian who is serious about their religion, to consider their historical role in the enslavement of people, the genocide of many other Peoples, and think about what it is that Jesus would actually have them do that could go as far as reparations. That could go as far as seeing what that particular denomination Church history has been in regards to being a participant in white supremacy, something that I'm absolutely certain that Jesus would not uphold because he embraced the stranger