Joe Biden has selected Camilla Harris as his running mate. Nvp how do you think this choice affects voters? Especially. There are some voters on the more progressive side that have seen Camilla's track record as a DA and have concerns what is the most effective way that she can address those concerns and win over the very left side
Deborah Pardes
@DBPardes · 1:56
But using the storm metaphor, actually, I feel like we're in a storm and thinking about the tactics of winning over the left is like talking about a gardening plan for a specific tree that needs a specific kind of care. When you're in a downpour, you're just trying to figure out how to triage and how to get back to some semblance of gardening, not even close to doing some care strategy about the specific needs of specific plants
Mtwadamela Ijogo
@Mtwadamela · 2:22
I think he just pretty much handed the election to Donald Trump unless Trump does something super stupid, which he's known to do. So now I'm just going to sit back and watch, but I figured he would pick Kamala Harris because this is America, and I hate to say it, but the way Americans are, if we're going to vote for a female to be President, I believe in America. I believe most Americans would not do it during the time of war
Swell Team
@Swell · 0:15
Shammi Mohamed
@shammi · 1:30
But if the candidates themselves are not exciting and there is nothing being done for the left, it is going to be hard to really ask them to show up. So while I agree with you that our priority number one is to really get President Trump out of office, I cannot stress the importance of how we must come together and vote against him. And coming together means appealing to everyone and not having that BN after talk
Angel Junio
@ajunio · 1:13
I think the one thing that does give me some hope is that there has been more of an effort to grab those Progressives, primarily. If you look at the piece that Biden and Bernie worked on together, I'd like to see more kind of with the very progressive left and the more moderate left coming across the I don't want to say Isle, because we're on the same side, but across the spectrum and really working together as a team
Bowie Rowan
@bowie · 2:25
For the past four years, I've been having a lot of conversations with people, even about Biden, who have told me that they're either not going to vote or they're going to essentially vote for anyone who isn't Biden. And I understand where they're coming from, that he does not represent their beliefs or the kind of country they want to live in. But right now I feel most concerned about no longer having a fascist as the President in my view
Mtwadamela Ijogo
@Mtwadamela · 2:46
So I don't know, man, I just don't think it's the right decision because I think people are taking advantage because Trump is such a Jackass. The Democrats are taking advantage because they know people just want to get rid of Trump so bad, they don't care who it is. They just want somebody in there Besides Trump
Bowie Rowan
@bowie · 1:24
I just heard you're too small Shammi and angel, and I just want to say completely agree. The biggest thing I am hearing from my friends and general social circle who consider themselves leftist Progressives radicals. However, you want to describe them or they describe themselves is I think a lot of them are just really not feeling seen or as if their voices are being heard at all leading up to the selection
Average Joe
@AverageJoe · 2:48
That is anybody really excited here? I mean, I know there's red hats that are truly excited about the prospect of another four more years of that imbecile. But is anybody really excited about Joe Biden? I can't imagine that there are anyone out there like there are people that are just passionate about Joe Biden. So what we're talking about is, well, we'll vote for him because it's better than the alternative, right?
And yet we're not really seeing that being reflected by the people that are representing us in office. Aside from Kamala Harris's track record as a DA, I want to avoid voting in people for the Democratic Party that are essentially centrists, like neoliberals who really kind of represent the Bush era Republicans. I feel like that era kind of started a lot of the fires that we're still putting out today, and I don't really want that to continue
Shammi Mohamed
@shammi · 1:33
She had none whatsoever and reminded me too much of Hillary all too self righteous. But you know what? I agree with you that the Democrats are taking advantage of the situation. Unfortunately, I do think that this time it has to be lesser of the two evils, because I truly and dearly fear that if we don't do this right now, another term of President Trump will be a one way ticket into fascism. Or I really think we might end up with civil war in this country
Angel Junio
@ajunio · 2:13
Callie goner. I think you brought up some really great points and average Joe Lol at the Alf puppet. I think I laughed and replayed that section maybe two or three times. I'm a big fan of holding people accountable and thinking of creative solutions while also saying that we need to do this to be really transparent. I was a Camel Harris fan because she personally prosecuted a case that benefited my family
Mtwadamela Ijogo
@Mtwadamela · 3:35
You say you love that child. If you love that child, you're going to correct that child and guide that child when it needs it. When the Phil needs it, you're going to do it. You're going to protect that child from him or herself. We do that as parents. We need to start doing that as citizens. That's all I've got to say about that
So what we need to do is exactly what you said. We got to make sure that we do not elect people like this into office. And we got to remember that the vast majority of people that end up influencing policy are elected, right? And so we need to be more active and vigilant when it comes to voting, hundreds of millions of Americans don't vote every year
phil spade
@Phil · 3:42
You made it clear you're not voting for, and you said there's a lot of other people like you that will not vote for for the same reasons. And then you said on the flip side, I don't know, maybe some will. And that's what I'm really trying to understand is how many people are out there like that and how many people really know outside of the state of California
Mtwadamela Ijogo
@Mtwadamela · 1:07
That's a pretty good point, Phil, but I don't think Trump supporters, I don't think that's they're going to want her in there, regardless of how many of her policies match up to their beliefs, which a lot of them do. They're not going to want her in there. The way I see this is that he basically seemed like the handwriting is on the wall that Trump is going to get reelected unless something really
Shammi Mohamed
@shammi · 0:09
And while I seriously believe that if Trump wins this election, we might not see another election without incident
Mtwadamela Ijogo
@Mtwadamela · 1:45
You just might be right about that. And if it happens like that, then I believe that that's what because let's face it, something is going to have to change in this country eventually, because we, as citizens, don't have the courage to do what we really need to do. It's going to be done, of course, nature or universe or whatever. Karma catching up. You read what you saw. That's universal law. We all know this
Angel Junio
@ajunio · 0:56
So one really interesting development of today. I don't know how many of you follow. Sean King Sean King is very to the left, especially on criminal justice reform. And I was wondering how he would react to Camel being nominated as VP. And he surprisingly, had some really great things to say about her. Especially surprising, because in the primary, he was pretty rough on her. So I encourage you guys to read what Sean King has said about Camilla and bring that to your thoughts
Mtwadamela Ijogo
@Mtwadamela · 1:21
You know, I have to be honest, this is one of the things I hate the most about our political system. You know, just just the fakeness of it. I mean, it's just so fake, you know, 1 minute. You know, you're talking mad bad about Kamala. We're not talking bad about it, but you're really pointing out the flaws
Sudha Varadarajan
@sudha · 2:00
With age, I have come to understand that it's all about, you know, who is the lesser of two evils. So when you look at democracy versus any other system out there, you pick democracy. And then when you say candidate A versus the other candidates out there again, you end up picking candidate A. I have come to realize that in every election and in every system, it is very few times that you've really embraced the candidate wholeheartedly
Shammi Mohamed
@shammi · 1:25
So I really think that it is very, very sad that we have to always settle and compromise for the lesser of two evils this time around. I guess we do not have any other option. That said, when this is over, I think we really need to address that so that people can actually embrace the candidate they like. As mentioned elsewhere, I think there are several solutions to this. Even something as simple as an open primary goes a long way
Bowie Rowan
@bowie · 2:22
So I'm going to link one of the articles here that I read, but I would be really curious to hear or your thoughts on that and kind of how you've made sense of him and his beliefs. And if you are a supporter or not now
Angel Junio
@ajunio · 4:13
But I find Sean King to be problematic for myself, mainly because I tend to be a realist in the sense of thinking that progress comes by making certain concessions and really getting buy in from the other side. As it stands, a few of us have mentioned on this thread. There is a large population of the US that hasn't voted primarily because they don't see themselves represented in the parties
Howie Rubin
@Howie · 0:49
He knows that he is happily married because he's afraid of his wife. So my question is to you Indian guys out there, what's it like to be married to an Indian woman? Will we? My brother and I be able to wake up every morning with smiles on our face because we are going to be ruled by an Indian woman
Shammi Mohamed
@shammi · 0:33
Hey, Howie, I'm not sure if you intended to post this. Here seemed a little off topic, but then again, Kamala Harris is half South Indian, and so it might be a little relevant. Regardless, the answer to your question, the rules of Martians and Venetians apply universally. As an Indian married to an Indian woman, I can say that I wake up every morning with a big smile on my face because fear
Sudha Varadarajan
@sudha · 3:01
And so it's always been a complete mystery to me why people wouldn't cast their vote, because at the end of the day, whether you embrace the candidates or not, you still have to pick who gets to govern your country, because the last thing you need is say, hey, I don't care whether it is A versus B, because at some point, somebody is going to govern your country. And then you're left facing the results of all the choices that they make