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Zara Lisbon
@ZLisbon · 2:59
Ketamine therapy
I did it on a Wednesday and it knocked me out for Thursday, Friday, and kind of Saturday too. So I'm wondering what your guys'experiences with it has been if any of you have done it or know someone who's done it. Obviously I can't just do it again in the middle of a work week. I need to find some time where I don't have a lot going on. I don't know when that would be
But I'm finding that pretty much across the board, everybody that I've read about or met and spoken to that has done Academy treatment has had basically nothing but good things to say about it outside of the it kind of knocked me out for a little bit or I was a little queasy. So it's just interesting. I keep hearing good things. It's happening more and more regularly. And I think that that's one really good way of destigmatizing. So thank you for sharing your thoughts
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Darrisha Daniel
@Dee94 · 2:32
It really helped me to be, like you said, more present and just aware of what is going on inside of me and outside of me. So, yeah, I just think that we need to have more open conversations about holistic ways of healing and great approach. Zara, I think that maybe you probably should talk to your position about how you felt afterwards and they could lower the dose or something
But what you had to say about the hangover was really interesting just because I feel like so many of these forms of therapy can be beneficial for people who have experienced different things with their health and different forms of trauma. So I think that it would be interesting. It's interesting that this is such an app healing and attractive form of healing when there's kind of that counterintuitive aspect of feeling like you're experiencing the symptoms of a hangover, like feeling like things that aren't aligning with your sobriety
And so in that context, I would like to share this perspective and this challenge that if we need some external substance to feel what we are naturally meant to feel, which is altruism, compassion, connection, community, purpose, meaning all these different things that you cannot replace those things with any substance that's externally from your body, mind you when you're doing those things and you're participating in those activities or those connections, those human values, you produce chemicals that induce psychedelic effects in your body as well
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Swell Team
@Swell · 0:15
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Jack .
@zejacques · 3:19
Around the 80s, it's illicit recreational use really spiked, and by 1999, the United States made ketamine a federally controlled substance in an attempt to stop this illicit use. A bigger conversation here around making some senses like ketamine, MDMA, LSD or cyclovels illegal is the war on drugs, which was really a propaganda machine by America to incarcerate black people. That's a swell in another conversation for another day, but I'm really interested in that from medicinal use