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Deborah Pardes
@DBPardes · 1:27

Author Nadine Epstein | RBG’s Brave & Brilliant Women

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So I'm tempted to jump into the book, but I think I want to just take a pause for a second and ask you about some of the milestones that you really look at. That prepared you to write this incredibly entertaining and just warm book. I love this book, and I just want to get a sense from you when this kind of got into your head. At what point in your career?

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Nadine Epstein
@NadineEpstein · 2:51
But there were only about ten of those 350 books were about women. And I always think about which ones they were. They were Molly Pitcher and Claire Barton and Madame Curie and Amelia Earhart, Lisa May Alcott and a few other. But it was really almost nothing. So I think I told her about this. And then she told me about some more women that she was thinking about
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Deborah Pardes
@DBPardes · 0:43

Criteria?

Thanks, Nadine. You know, it's so funny to those who are listening. I'm actually zooming Nadine. So I get to look at her face while we're talking. It's kind of a new way to swell cast. It's awesome. I can't imagine being in the Chambers of RBG myself, so that must be thrilling. But I want to bring the attention mentioned down to the fact that you had a window list from a couple of hundred to, like, 33
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Nadine Epstein
@NadineEpstein · 5:00
Now, as it turns out, she converted to Judaism by Mary into Levi tribe. And she did leave Egypt with the other Israelites. So she actually became a Jew, which, of course, I had no idea about that. So I'm not sure Justice Ginsburg knew all the story, but I think she did. She was very into these women. So they were right off the bat. There were just a number of women who she cared about
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Deborah Pardes
@DBPardes · 1:36

Impact

When you think about the implications of reading this book, where do you go with your hopes and dreams about young people reading this book? And I want to say to listeners, Nadine did an extraordinary job of writing a book that I can read and fully drop in and enjoy. But also people at a lower grade level could also read. You did a very conscious way of writing this. Can you just talk about that?
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Nadine Epstein
@NadineEpstein · 3:49
So we talked about this a lot. So I think she really had in mind originally writing this for young girls. But I know from talking to people that this isn't just for young girls. This is for sale of all for boys and girls, men and women. The lessons in this book, the stories in this book are for everyone. I learned so much in writing this book. I was inspired in writing this book. I learned about Justice Ginsburg in writing this book
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Deborah Pardes
@DBPardes · 1:20

Favorite story

That's what makes us all try to play better tennis with a better tennis player, so to speak. I wanted to ask you about in writing this book, and you mentioned a few names, of course. But can you tell us? I know you mentioned Nasi, but is there a story in here that you really make sure like, guys don't miss this story. You've got to read this story
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Nadine Epstein
@NadineEpstein · 5:00
The women in this book are absolutely visionaries. I mean, this is a woman of our time who was living hundreds of years ago. So I loved her story again. There's just so many. And there are some stories. There are some women that Justice Ginsburg met that are in this book. And there's one woman that we both met, which is just completely coincidental and that's Murray Seibert
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Nadine Epstein
@NadineEpstein · 5:00
So if there's one message from this book, I want people to take that. And there's one other message, too, is that there's a whole section in the book about a call to action
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Deborah Pardes
@DBPardes · 0:50

Call to action

Can you sort of go from the call to action, which is a generic call to action, but then gift us your own sort of personal inside narrative about what's up for Nadine next and what drives you to be who you are. And please feel free to bring in obviously your tenure at the moment, but you can totally go beyond that. But thank you for covering both. And you can go after passing five minutes is all good
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Nadine Epstein
@NadineEpstein · 4:47
You have to be able to separate your emotions out and you have to build trust with people. And I talk about it in Call to Action, how you just don't sit down and argue with somebody about your point of view and expect to convince them. How many people in this day and age can you convince by arguing with them? Arguing is I find arguing to be an incredibly polarizing experience. I think that debate is a completely outmoded form of discourse
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Deborah Pardes
@DBPardes · 1:15

Future of Moment + OPEN TO ALL

We're big fans of it for the reasons that I think you understand, which is that it makes us think which is great. It gives us pause to consider big ideas. Can you tell us about the vision you have the roadmap you have for a moment and how we can support you? And then I'm going to open up this interview to the world so that anybody who hears it can pop in and give us their thoughts
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Nadine Epstein
@NadineEpstein · 2:50
So it's something that I look back and I go, wow. We've come so far over the years and we've changed with the time, and we've become something I think, hopefully, really a place of meaningful thought that someone and, for example, how I got to know really with Bader Ginsburg was because she was a devoted reader of Moment, and she loved Moment. She wrote me little notes. Unbelievable
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Deborah Pardes
@DBPardes · 0:32

https://momentmag.com/shop/

For those of you who want to buy this incredible book and also subscribe to the magazine, I'm going to put a link here to the store and from there you can poke around and see the entire website so interesting and important blows your mind, expands your thinking. And it's very exciting to have had time with Nadine here. And let's keep this conversation going. And again, Nadine, thank you so much. And I look forward to having more big conversations with the moment
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