Shammi Mohamed
@shammi · 4:44
Are humans a bootstrapping ingredient in the evolution of a larger mind
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So now one of the game changing technologies today, obviously, is artificial intelligence. So something you need to know about artificial intelligence in this current form is AI gained a lot of steam after we started to model it after our own brains. We chose our brains because these are the natural successors in the evolutionary lifecycle cycle. So AI right now is essentially built as neural networks where you have these neural net nodes that talk to each other and are mapped very much like our brain
Shammi Mohamed
@shammi · 3:43
We are ever so always connected with the Internet, and we have super processing power that we can just access really quick compared to 30 years ago. You can ask us a question and we can get the answer or we can even process some data for you and very quickly get the answers back to you. Just because we have that phone that is always connected to the cloud, it's just a Google search area, right for the most
Shammi Mohamed
@shammi · 3:19
Perhaps give us the wisdom to put aside our differences and unify all of our purpose. Why not? Let's think about something. Think about your own body. It is made up of millions of individual cells, subcelled biological structures. They all work as individuals, but they work collectively towards one grand goal of sustaining one individual human's life. That is your life, its well being and keeping its competitive advantages. So that's the grand goal there. But they're all working in unison
If the whole thing is based on whether we hit Rekha's violence singularity before we hit whatever other underlying kind of limits on their exponential curve are. That's a question. That's an open question. And we'll see whether it's not a given either way and whether AGI can happen into the way people expect. But there are things to keep in mind. It's not unlimited in terms of how far you can go. And that's because we live in a physical world. Right
And there will be ethical questions about how far we let the technology run amok if you will, and in order to take good answers, get come to good answers there, I think we need to have a very well grounded understanding about consciousness free will identity more than anything else. I think that's the interesting part for me. That's where things become really hairy and really interesting. So I love to hear more about that theme from you and others as well. But thanks a lot, Shammi
Shammi Mohamed
@shammi · 4:44
So now imagine the same thing. Now you have all these thousands of connections into your brain and then extending and getting signal from the outside. And I believe you can fairly quickly train it to actually achieve what you want to convey or receive I think I'm coming to the end of this. Well, so I'm going to switch over to the next one
Shammi Mohamed
@shammi · 3:57
So that's what he says. And that keeps repeating. And that's what he says. So basically what he's saying is, yes, we discovered some technology and we made a lot of progress on it. And then we get barely any returns. And then we're just like, okay, that's where we are. And then we discover something completely new and something that completely takes us to the next level. But then what we find out is that we are still at its infancy
Shammi Mohamed
@shammi · 4:15
Again, I am no expert by any means, and I will try to explain it from the little I know from the little I've read from either Wikipedia or all the other sources out there. The answer I feel lies in emulating or replicating the limbic system and also, more importantly, the most giant step we'll take towards this is an AI that reprograms itself. I've hit the four minute Mark
Shammi Mohamed
@shammi · 4:15
We are going to have to have some very basic feedback mechanisms that are positive and negative. Right. And the positive ones get reinforced in the negative ones. And this positive and negative is going to have to be very basic. And the AI has to take in all the inputs through the gigantic neural network. It's going to have to bring it in
Shammi Mohamed
@shammi · 3:18
Call me out if this sounds too far fetched. But I believe that babies are born with no conscious, and they form their conscious very soon, and they train their neural networks. And in that process, they form their conscious as they keep growing. And it's a lengthy process. And that's why babies aren't conscious for a few months, right? In fact, they are still trying to make more of their senses
And I'm happy to kind of keep on chatting with you as I find new things, but it's just a fascinating area, right? So I'll leave it at that the topic. I do want to kind of tease out a bit more with you and just want to make sure we are on the same page or at least explain is the purpose of evolution, right? I just want to make sure it's not a semantic difference that we have here
Shammi Mohamed
@shammi · 4:11
And if we don't get to it, we will eventually get to it by just the nature of chaos that can reset itself and restart. And that is my view. Let's take the dinosaurs and us again. I don't have that much information about dinosaurs. Maybe they were on the path to intelligence. The Velociraptors. It's not the Velociraptors. I forget what the species is. That Jurassic Park actually designated as the Lost Raptors
Shammi Mohamed
@shammi · 2:24
We are talking about fixing climate change, right. At a planetary level. And we will do yes, we might not be as effective. We have our own divisions and everything. But eventually, if anything, these rights of the past few days have shown us we can come together in surprisingly successful ways. So I honestly think at this point we have a lot more purpose, and we are part of that evolution. And eventually evolution finds the purpose
Shammi Mohamed
@shammi · 3:06
And when we let go of our consciousness, our emotions and all of that, and when you're working towards a greater goal, is that what it is? Because no matter which way we go, I think eventually some humans are like there will be people who will want to transfer themselves over to Silicon. Right. And at that point, like an it points out over here without your body and you lose part of your consciousness. Right. And it's almost like you're getting a superpower right
Hey Xiaomi, I'll try something new. I have a couple of different points to make in response, but I'll make them all separately in very short, swells rather than one big one and put a comment in each. Let me see if that makes this conversation more readable and prompts others to join as well. So here it goes. The very first one is yes
Hey, Shammi. So your statement about evolution now being purposeful is that basically saying that because humans have evolved and humans are purposeful. That's why you're considering a purposeful, because from a purely scientific perspective perspective, the process of evolution is not purposeful. It might give the illusion of it or may appear that way. But it's just a process of random mutations and most fit traits surviving right from a very chemical process as well. The self replication that started it all
I don't see the point of it because as Rica said, Koji to a Kosovo, I think therefore I am I can doubt everything except the fact that I'm doubting and that conscious experience of being that I am to me that's the only interesting thing in this whole universe. If you take that away, then I'm not sure what's at the point of view in talking about a greater intelligence which doesn't have any consciousness associated with it
Shammi Mohamed
@shammi · 2:07
The way I really look at it is rather how quantum physics and Newtonian physics are related. Quantum physics is built completely on the probability of something being there or not there, and there is no certainty over there. Right. It is somewhat based on some randomness, but it's really some distributions
Shammi Mohamed
@shammi · 3:32
And the conscious as being if and when we do upload ourselves, how would we experience it and which parts of the conscious would be important? Would it be a lesser bit of an experience? I don't know what would be our incentives to keep going? I really don't know. And when a superintelligence happens, what about its consciousness? What will be its incentives to go on? These are some really interesting questions that we really don't know
And then what emerges as we execute on those rules, what emerges, which cells live and die, the pattern that emerge, they can appear purposeful. They can appear at a glider gun pattern. For example, you'll see that on the Wikipedia page as well, and it can look like that glider is moving across the screen as of it as a purpose, right? It is doing something meaningful. But all that is happening is very simple. Rules are being followed at that cellular level, right
Shammi Mohamed
@shammi · 4:51
Hey, Arish. Yes. I would really like to dive deeper into that physics misunderstanding. I have probably to clear my misunderstandings more than anything else. I've always been under the impression that at a quantum mechanics level, the rules are more based on distributions and probabilities, and at a Newtonian level, we can apply more deterministic mathematics to it. But anyways, maybe I'm oversimplifying. Let's take that off in another conversation somewhere else. And I would really love to discuss that
Shammi Mohamed
@shammi · 4:24
I wanted to share one more example of late. I've been watching enough AI videos from an amateur level, and these are YouTube videos where people take existing AI frameworks and and AI knowledge, and they try to use that to solve things, like having them play a classic game like Super Mario or something like that with varying degrees of success
If I am living in a simulation, then I'm actually not interested in I'm interested in who the program is, who the creator of the simulation is. And where did that person come from? So you just basically move the whole problem one level higher up. Right. So when you can keep on doing that, add incentive pretty much. And that's another reason why I feel it doesn't really make sense
Shammi Mohamed
@shammi · 4:14
And then eventually they figure out how to combine and make themselves stronger. Again, I don't go one way or the other, but my view on the simulation is that it's not programmed in detail, but it could be one where somebody just started it off from very simple principles, and then just let it just go and see what the outcome is. And at that point, you might come back to that. Is it purposeful or not?
Shammi Mohamed
@shammi · 4:33
So given that if our research leads to a point where the best AI comes out of evolutionary mechanisms, if we wanted to create an AGI, wouldn't we lean on that? And that is what I'm getting at. If we live in a simulation that is purposeful, it is very likely that the creators of the simulation could have multiple of these simulations running. And we are just one of them. And the idea is to nurture an AGI, which probably they have some need for
Shammi Mohamed
@shammi · 4:54
But all this talk did really get me thinking in a very interesting direction, which is I do believe that we can break out of the simulation. And what I mean by that is if and when we melt with the super mind or when we can comprehend so much that we can probably comprehend the simulation. Right
So I will start a new just asking that question and you can let's see what people can have to respond to that, I think, because that's a good question in general, and right now it's buried in here, and I don't think anybody will find it otherwise. So I will do that. Then coming back to kind of your main question about the point you're making about living in a simulation and the fact that I have a few different things to say about that
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