@SeekingPlumb

If anger stems from fear, does "righteous" anger exist?

I was listening to Georgie D talk about anger stemming from fear. And while I've said that a lot myself when talking about other situations, other groups of people in this context, it reminded me that this also can apply to myself. I started looking back at the moments where I raged within and how much of that was really from fear. But then the next step I took was is there any such thing as righteous anger then or is all anger come from fear?

If it does, what is it?

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@HeMan493
Richard keys
@HeMan493Β Β·Β 4:13
Sometimes it can be sad, but also they'll be angry at the boss for firing them. There are other religious people who are angry at me and you for choosing a different lifestyle. You obviously are into women. I'm a polyamorous person. They don't agree with that. So they fear that somehow the world will become this chaotic thing
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@Wordsmith
Sreeja V
@WordsmithΒ Β·Β 2:01

A paradox : insecurity Vs superiority

I think in my case, there have been several occasions where I have felt anger from a sense of righteousness because people jumping the line of the queue or something that happens when I'm driving. Someone violates the traffic rule to someone not wearing a mask when I'm out shopping so many different things. And I feel that this is not the right thing to do
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@Swell
Swell Team
@SwellΒ Β·Β 0:15

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@GeorgieDee
Georgie Dee
@GeorgieDeeΒ Β·Β 4:41

@SeekingPlumb @HeMan493 @wordsmith @MerelyHuman

So I'm used to driving the normal way and turning left, and the people who are turning right have to give way to me. And that woman that is turning right didn't give way to me. This is exactly what happened the other day. We used to get angry because it's an affront against our freedom and the expected security and stability of what we know, which is the road rules exist. So I think pretty much every single time anger will come from fear
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@SeekingPlumb

A missing piece? @GeorgieDee @HeMan493 @wordsmith @MerelyHuman

And now this anger can be or should be used in a different way, because to me, although it came as a revelation when I heard you say that the other day, I remember now having used this as a tool in the past when I'm angry. What is it really the problem here? Because what I'm throwing my anger out is not necessarily it. And so then I can use it to dig, Dee, analyze what's going on there
@GeorgieDee
Georgie Dee
@GeorgieDeeΒ Β·Β 3:15

@SeekingPlumb Acceptance or Change ...

You touched on the other subject of working on our stuff, our insecurities, our childhood wounds, that's internal stuff. That's the baggage that we're working on, the fear and anger and loss and sadness that we're working on. But if we're talking about now in the external word world, sorry. And all of those outside factors that affect us, I think you've got to do the work
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@SeekingPlumb

Actual vs perceived threat. I feel like I knew this. lol πŸ€¦πŸ»β€β™€οΈ @GeorgieDe

So trying to figure out how to address our own personal issues versus addressing them outwardly. Maybe it has something to do with identifying whether there actually really is a threat to us rather than a perceived threat
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@GeorgieDee
Georgie Dee
@GeorgieDeeΒ Β·Β 3:50

More thoughts

If you've got a perceived threat from the outside, no one's actually hit you or taking your lunch away or evicted you from your house, then it's a perceived threat, right. Okay. Let's do some examples. By the way, when do we know when we've managed to come to a place of acceptance? The work is never done, Christina. We're never going to vibrate to perfection. It's an ongoing journey
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@Hans
Hans 😊nome
@HansΒ Β·Β 3:24

Judge actions not the emotion. @GeorgieDee @MerelyHuman @wordsmith

Fire isn't bad until it destroys and kills. Right. These are sort of judgments we put on a postmortem or judgments that we use to sort of compartmentalize what happened. And so fire provides heat. Anger is energy. Anger causes us to protest. Anger causes us to kill protesters, right. I don't think anger is evil at all. I just think it's just a range on a spectrum of emotions that all stem from the amygdala, the Olympic system. Right
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@GeorgieDee
Georgie Dee
@GeorgieDeeΒ Β·Β 1:39

Let it be 😊@Hans

And when you have no judgment around this, then it's so much easier to let things go and welcome things back instead of hanging onto or holding onto the emotions that you attached to certain events. So I think it's kind of related. Well, I've got on the Segway, I must say, but you're used to it. Seasons just reminded me of that's one of the things that I use for relationships. And like you said, sometimes it's winter and sometimes it's summer
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@SeekingPlumb

The pieces fit! lol @GeorgieDee @Hans

There's always going to be something new, maybe that pops up, and even maybe this particular instance will pop up again, and it will, as you said, be that ongoing process. Maybe this isn't entirely important to deal any age, but I think it gets a little messy for me. When we look at an example, let's say someone infringes on our boundaries. And so from past experience, we know how detrimental that is, how important boundaries are
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@Wordsmith
Sreeja V
@WordsmithΒ Β·Β 1:46

@SeekingPlumb @GeorgieDee @Hans

This conversation is really getting interesting. And I just wanted to add that when I spoke about anger as a negative emotion, I was talking about it more within a personal context, if you may, because in my life, the anger is one thing that I've always tried to sort of overcome because I've had Hans spoke about actions and consequences
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@GeorgieDee
Georgie Dee
@GeorgieDeeΒ Β·Β 0:31

@wordsmith No judgement from me πŸ™

In my mind. Sija, you don't need to qualify yourself for me. There's absolutely no judgment. I think it's iconically. Thought of as a negative emotion. And it exists negatively in our lives, sometimes ad. So don't worry about it, man. You're fine. You're grand. That's it. This conversation is going on way too long. I'm blaming seeking plum
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@LordOfTheGrief
I'm probably late to this. And not that it really matters. But I actually think that anger is a learned trait. It was something that even I was sitting in one of my up my a**. What was one of the sessions I was sitting in? So I was sitting in one of my therapy sessions, and it was like a group therapy for the veterans and all that other crap here in Las Vegas. Not that it really means s***, but whatever
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@SeekingPlumb

An additional dimension. Thank you. @LordOfTheGrief

I think sometimes it's done inadvertently, and sometimes it's done purposely or just by example, we're watching someone and a child will look to the parent and see how they respond in a situation. Should I be fearful here, or should I not? Some of it, of course, is innate. Fear is a tool that we need. But I think it has that extra dimension that you brought up. And I think tied into all of that is our morals and what we value
@avichand
Avi Chand
@avichandΒ Β·Β 4:39
Maybe the fear that I'm losing out or I'm disadvantaged because I'm not that clever and witty to make sharp comebacks and say hurtful things, to level with the other person and to put him in his place. So instead of coming back with snarky comebacks and sarcastic comebacks, clever bitty, one liners, I lose my cool that, hey, I'm losing this game of one up Chand ship
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@SeekingPlumb

@avichand

Thank you for popping this well back into the forefront and for your thoughts. It's nice to revisit some of these questions. And upon reflection, I'm wondering why in the world I try to compartmentalize things so much. Because there really are so many different kinds of anger, let alone so many different kinds of fear that fuels those types of anger. And it's really hard to sort of reduce any one of those down into groups of good versus bad
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