"How does the 'never to be' differ from what 'never was'?"

Question for how how does the Never to be differ differ from what Never Was comes from the book by Cormac McCarthy called the road

Thoughts?

@tooshy
Caleb Paul
@tooshyΒ Β·Β 0:58
And maybe I'm just not seeing it yet. So I'm going to think about it. I think there is something I don't know yet why it is. Maybe there is nothing. Maybe there is nothing hidden in this question. I don't know. I got to think about it first. I got to think about it a lot. I think
@SeekingPlumb

Patiently waiting. And thinking, too. πŸ€” @tooshy

It is that kind of question, isn't it? Well, take your time. But I would love to hear your thoughts if you decide you want to share them. I have a theory or an idea. And I think if I dug deeper, maybe maybe there would be more. But I don't want to say anything yet because I don't want to influence any perspective. So yeah, I will patiently wait
@SeekingPlumb

I THOUGHT I had a theory... πŸ˜†πŸ€¦πŸ»β€β™€οΈ

But if you look at what never will be, there's still a sense of hope, of what could be. But the more I thought about it, the word never is pretty definitive. There's no wiggle room there, and so fine. It never happened in the past. But to say it will never happen in the future. Is there really any room for hope there
@AnimangaNation
ANIMANGA Nation
@AnimangaNationΒ Β·Β 2:51
It's more about faith, and it's more about, like, oh, this was not predained. This is not your destiny. And there are some things that you just it was not in your bloodline or your DNA to be. There are some people who are not great actors or great accountants, or for the geeks like myself, we're not great esports players. We don't make the billion dollar contracts playing video games, but it would never was more of what it's saying
@dzakyem
Dzakye M
@dzakyemΒ Β·Β 0:53

Personal anecdote

Hello, Sleeping Plum. My father once said if it could be done, don't you think that it would have been done before? Consequently, it can't be done. So that's the way I interpret it. Some people think that if something hasn't been done, that was never done before, it can't possibly be done. Or it can't be a sensible thing to do. That's my take on that
@dzakyem
Dzakye M
@dzakyemΒ Β·Β 3:40

Striving in the dark for an hypothetical birth

There is creation, there is a birth, there is an idea, a spark, and it breaks this continuum. And this is the beauty of things. How come do changes suddenly happen and develop? How do ideas cause new ideas? And apparently it would continue without changing. But something suddenly changes because in the background, something prepared changes don't happen linearly. If you train your voice, you can train for a long time. And then there are stages
@bookishpodcast
Shahnaz Ahmed
@bookishpodcastΒ Β·Β 2:39
Okay. I'm going to address this question, and I'm going to break it up into three timelines. Okay. You have the past, the present and the future. If it never was in the past, that's in the past, it never was. Okay. It never happened. The events never happened. It just never happened. So it never even got to the present. It never even existed. All right. In the first place
@AverageJoe
Average Joe
@AverageJoeΒ Β·Β 1:04
It never got off the ground because welcome to the friend zone population. You fella, right? But never meant to be. We kind of gave it a shot. She said, yeah, you know what? He's not really edgy, but he's a nice guy. I'm going to give him a go, but then there was just no spark there, right? Because being a nice guy wasn't enough, and it was never meant to be
@SeekingPlumb

Your moniker. My misinterpretation. @AnimangaNation

Thanks for your reply. He man 493, Incidentally. Where does that name come from? I mean, I know him, but four, nine, three. I've not heard the addition to it before. Yes. I think like you made me think of somehow interpreted that one part as being never will be, as opposed to never to be. And I think you're right there's. Like this element of there's still an element of possibility. Faith
@SeekingPlumb

Thanks for the shift in perspective, @RobbinMilne.

Robin, Somehow I completely missed this interpretation. I think I was viewing the quote so narrowly through the context of the book that it just completely missed me. Thanks for that shift in perspective
@Swell
Swell Team
@SwellΒ Β·Β 0:15

Welcome to Swell!

@SeekingPlumb

Love that visual, @dzakyem.

I'm just thinking, like back and say the 18 hundreds when someone was trying to invent something versus now when you can have a whole team working on something, I wonder what his take would be now. And with that your second message. I think I have my answer. I love how you've painted this continuum and the spark that breaks it and just the striving in the dark for something. You know, the hope that's there. I really like that. Thank you for your replies
@SeekingPlumb

Vantage point. @bookishpodcast

Shanaz, I'd like your take on this. It's sort of like I'm thinking of Zaki's linear continuum that spark in the middle. And from what you said, standing in that moment in that split second where there's change and viewing the past, the present and the future from that place, like, just really, yeah. I like that. Thank you
@SeekingPlumb

Some clarification. @RobbinMilne

I meant the context of the book, as in the setting and everything that's happening and thinking about those existential questions that we have. So there's no hidden agenda here, no further questions about this idea. These ideas, just curious to hear other perspectives, to think about it in different ways than I was thinking it myself
@SeekingPlumb

If you find it, and... @RobbinMilne

Hey, Robin, if you do find that quote and you think those additional words would add like another facet to the conversation, please. By all means, add them
@MarkR
Mark Francis Rahaman
@MarkRΒ Β·Β 1:55

The past or the future

So to me, never to be is in the future. Maybe somebody wants to travel the world, but it will never come to be. And then if you're telling the story of somebody who wanted to travel the world, you could say, but unfortunately, that was never to be because it was something they wanted, but never was more like I heard that they traveled the world, but that never was true. Maybe it was something somebody just made out
@Wordsmith
Sreeja V
@WordsmithΒ Β·Β 0:58

@dzakyem @AverageJoe - the never was as a byproduct of the never to be

But what is interesting is that if I had the opportunity to gain a perspective before these pretty much happened to me, I would have known that these are or never to be so. In a sense, there is linearity. As Zaki mentioned, the never was is a byproduct of never to be. At least that's how I look at it
@AnimangaNation
ANIMANGA Nation
@AnimangaNationΒ Β·Β 1:16

@SeekingPlumb

Funny story about that. Heman is one of my favorite superheroes of all time. Being an African American man, I really relied on Heman and his morals and stuff like that when going through life. So, yeah, that was the reason why I chose Heman. The part is actually where April 9, 2003, I became a part of the Internet for the first time. I think that was the exact date that I had signed up to Google and I had started my Internet journey
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