@SeekingPlumb

We're raised to be limited & incompatible adults.

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If all we've done is taught children to follow, then look at how the genders are raised differently. Boys are taught to suppress their emotions. They're taught what it means to be, quote, unquote strong what it means to be a man. There is an idea that the men or should provide and protect women. But as they grow up, then there's an expectation that we want these same men to be emotionally available. We want them to be vulnerable, to make those emotional connections

Were raised one way, but expected to be practically the opposite in adulthood.

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@ElasticBD
Greg Dickson
@ElasticBDΒ Β·Β 3:54

@SeekingPlumb I have a slightly significantly different perspective :-)

And so because I think early on in life become much more idealistic and set in place, like you say, certain behaviors. But then when we get into the real world, we have the tension. And when I say the real world, when we move through the educational system, the educational system reinforces stereotypes and roles that we are to abide by the good boy, good girl, the smart kid. You could improve, blah, blah, blah
@SeekingPlumb

Why do we make that evolution more difficult? @LifeOrigami

So I wonder why we are willing to gamble with how we shape society, when some of these things could be taught to young children, and then it can only lead to better relationships, better interactions, safety for women, freedom for men, so many different things. Why not make that lesson learned at an easier time with less baggage and less difficulty
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@FryedOreo
Dewuan .
@FryedOreoΒ Β·Β 4:59

Humans have always been social creatures, this is our flaw and strength.

They don't need to be with their parents for the equivalency time that we do. So I guess that can explain some of it. But even then, yeah, to some degree, I guess it's always going to be like that. But, yeah, as a parent, myself, going through the experience with my kids, especially when I say, oh, I'm not going to be that parent. I'm not going to do this or do that
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Bernie Goldbach
@topgoldΒ Β·Β 4:45

@SeekingPlumb so much diversity

What he Dylan aged nine is going to encounter through his lifetime will be much more diverse than what I've seen in mine. Thanks for opening this conversation, Christina Bye for now. Bye
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@SeekingPlumb

Thank you for sharing, @topgold. πŸ™πŸ» (Xenogenesis Trilogy by Octavia Butler)

Speaking of scifi, there is a trilogy of books that really shook up my world along these lines that you were talking about. It's called Xenogenesis. That's the name of the trilogy by Octavia Butler. And in some ways, the alien species is extremely disturbing. But on the other hand, I think if I remember correctly, there were, like, three different genders and how they related to each other was so beautiful. And so it was this conflict of weird feelings. And so on
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Bernie Goldbach
@topgoldΒ Β·Β 1:46

@SeekingPlumb will read and listen to more of Octavia Butler.

There's a bunch of different titles, which is a little bit depressing because it may mean the author went out with David Butler. She's deceased now, isn't she? Her estate wouldn't be receiving any credit for me reading their Kindle Unlimited. Other parts of the writing is inaudible, so I'm going to probably grab I think the series is called The Sewer. I'll grab that pay for it and I'll also get the Audible edition of it because of your recommendation
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@SeekingPlumb

(Hope you end up enjoying her work as much as I do.) @topgold

Every time I read or reread some of Butler's work, it makes me grieve her loss all over again. It's funny that you mentioned the Sower duology. I just listened to the first book in the last few weeks. Weeks. So funny. Anyway, I'm just going to add this little caveat because I haven't read the trilogy and The Genesis in probably about a decade now. I've just ordered the Brooke so I can reread them
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@SeekingPlumb

A mini detour: https://app.swell.life/swellcast/C5v9 @Brooke415

So this conversation is going to do a little loopy loo a mini detour before coming back here. So this link is going to take you to Brooks thoughts. And after you listen to her, there there is a link that will bring you back here where I'll leave my room. Response
@SeekingPlumb

Part 1. @Brooke415

Brooke, if it makes you feel any better, you are not alone. This is definitely a larger conversation with many facets to it when talking about raising kids. There's definitely a larger picture where it's not just society as we talked about. But there's businesses, the government, advertising, all of these things. But I sort of lump them into the, quote, unquote culture. They're not exactly all on the same plane, but they all factor into the overall picture
@SeekingPlumb

Part 2. @Brooke415

Although this form of dehumanization is not at all comparable to what we see in prisons or even instances from history, it still is used in a way to influence the cohesiveness of the society. Ultimately, if we want to be a part of a society, there are trade offs being assigned a number when we would prefer not to. But it also allows us to have benefits that we wouldn't otherwise have from the small things to the more significant
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Richard keys
@HeMan493Β Β·Β 4:35
Hello, speaking plum, this is Heman four, nine, three. And I've been a bit busy. I've been competing in Esports and at least working all around the clock at the post office very busy in my podcast as well
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@SeekingPlumb

@HeMan493

So I think I sort of think of humanity all of the different generations as this never ending Daisy chain, this evolution of culture that continues to happen generation after generation. And I think that consideration of belief systems or contradictory treatment between genders is probably something that happens every generation. You know, every time we reach adulthood, no matter our age or when in time, you know, we're going to reevaluate some of those things. So yeah. Interesting. Hey
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Brooke C.
@Brooke415Β Β·Β 0:39

https://s.swell.life/SSMQ35CGlDqrohF

Hi, Christina. I got the reply that you posted under me. Sorry. I was kind of frustrated at the moment. I know I can figure out tech stuff, and I appreciate you offering to help me out with that. I will figure it out. I get frustrated, but it's okay. It's my fault. And then I'm just going to try to take your advice and do what you said. Part one, part two. At Brooke four, one, five
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Brooke C.
@Brooke415Β Β·Β 3:20

@SeekingPlumb oof better late than never? You sparked a great convo, thx!

Just basically born equal and also pay equal pay for equal work. But that got contentious for a minute. Anyway, we won't go there. But he sent me a link to a video. This man and I was like, oh, this is so sweet. He's man explaining to me. He sent me a video about feminism. I'll try to find a link
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Brooke C.
@Brooke415Β Β·Β 5:00

@SeekingPlumb and @HeMan493 nice to hear you Mr. Man lol now I get the pic

And to me, I was always insulted when people reduce women to gold diggers because that's the basic minimum. As far as I'm concerned. Yes, support yourself, provide for you and yours. That's just bare minimum. That's what people do as human beings. That's nothing to get excited about as a partner on either side. And there's nothing to really focus on to my mind, nothing to not either commend or be appreciative of and grateful for
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@SeekingPlumb

Origins. Systems are inherently devoid of empathy. @Brooke415

So when I mentioned the class I took that taught me how to write a check that was actually in a US school. So this may reflect on me being a bit older, but those are things I had in school. Mind you, I moved schools around that year when I took all those classes and the school I left had nothing like that, nothing. So when I got to the new school, I was shocked to see anything like that. So there were two different States
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