@Mtwadamela
Mtwadamela Ijogo
@Mtwadamela · 3:32

R. Kelly gets 30 years!

And just based on I mean, they really kicked it in the high gear, it seems like to me, when Alia died, because then she became deified, as a lot of people do who pass away, because it's almost like they paint her as this unknown victim. And anybody who was around during that time knows that that's not true. That's not true. Alia was fast. I mean, let's call it what it was

#anotheronebitsthedust

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@Taylor
Taylor J
@Taylor · 3:33
And I think the important thing to distinguish here is that while there was a time where whenever people were criticizing R. Kelly, it was because of his pedophilia and what happened with Alia, even though you're suggesting that she was down with it, like she was still 15. So it's pedophilia. I think that that stopped at some point, and this became more of a conversation about sex trafficking in general
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@Mtwadamela
Mtwadamela Ijogo
@Mtwadamela · 1:36
Yeah, well, that that's my whole that's my whole thing, you know. You know, when you start talking about sex trafficking and all this stuff, on the level he was supposedly doing it on, where's everybody else? When you make drug busts when they make drug busts, man, they bust everybody. Everybody that's there, everybody that's involved, everybody that conspired
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@Mtwadamela
Mtwadamela Ijogo
@Mtwadamela · 1:22
So now, another interesting question that just occurred to me. How, how do you feel about his music now? You know, when an artist, you know, gets caught up in something like this and gets convicted and their reputation gets ruined, how do you feel about the art that they produced? Because to me, in my opinion, the art is separate from the artist. Sure, it's a part of the artist, it came out of the artist, but it's art
@Taylor
Taylor J
@Taylor · 2:07
What's up, MTWell? Yeah, I mean, I agree with you. I think it's insane that that like you said, drug busts, you know, the whole house gets rolled, right? But in this instance, that doesn't seem to be the case. And like, I don't know if it's because because the people involved are super high profile and they want to have all the attention paid on them
@Professor42
Professor Z
@Professor42 · 2:11
You already seen what happened on Epstein. Do you think possibly if whoever did help R. Kelly could possibly I don't know, do you think they could possibly rough them up? Or even worse, if he were to possibly expose them? Which is one of the things that comes to mind. There is a possibility that he could, but maybe he just won't out of fear. The other thing is, you mentioned his music, which I sort of addressed in the start of this
@Mtwadamela
Mtwadamela Ijogo
@Mtwadamela · 1:57
Because there's no way Taylor said, well, maybe they're just convicting people quietly. No, not on s*** like this. They don't do big, major stuff like this. No, because it makes stars. It makes careers. These are career defining for somebody. Yeah, sure, R. Kelly is going to jail. Going to prison
@Phil
phil spade
@Phil · 1:41

@Mtwadamela separating the art from the artist

And then it's actually very tough to actually hear any music from an artist that they deem undesirable. And because of that, I really do not know what to think here. I have always been able to separate the art from the artist. However, if I listen to Ignition right now, I think it's too fresh, and I'd probably just think of R. Kelly and what he's been convicted for
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@Mtwadamela
Mtwadamela Ijogo
@Mtwadamela · 3:08
But I'm wondering, do you think in these type of cases, I see a lot of people regurgitating things that the media have said, which is their right. I'm not knocking anybody's right? But it seems like they're not really forming an opinion on their own. It's being formed for them. I don't know how you feel about that at
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@larandle
L.A. Randle
@larandle · 1:24

@Mtwadamela

It is hard to have a real opinion on this situation because everything is speculation, right? And at the end of the day, neither you nor I nor anybody that is outside of this bubble was there none of us news, any of these people personally? We weren't part of the crew. We didn't see any of this go down. We don't know none of the girls, we don't know the girls families, nothing. So how we feel is just speculation
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