"…But I don't want to restrict our ability to pontificate and keep on talking. But I want to suggest that sometimes what we say in an hour, we could have said in five minutes. Now, the other thing that's interesting about podcasts is they have that dynamic of back and forth when you have a guest, boom boom, boom, boom boom. Nothing like it. And with Swell, I've done that before, but I've held my phone between somebody and we've had that.…"