And I really liked hearing her book recommendations and her commentary on how to be more sustainable and how a lot of the time when we think of sustainability, we think of buying really expensive products like Madewell or really expensive, like recycled rags or a bazillion jars when we could really just use what we have and try to keep track of it and make the most out of what we have. And that's what sustainability is about. So that's what I want to talk about today. Yeah