So, like the people pleaser, she is she opted to take out the lyrics. I honestly felt she should have had a bit more backbone. She is, after all, the Queen of Music as they coin her. So just keep it in there because it's kind of crazy to think one sees a person who spazes out as something to be ridiculed admonished with vitriol. But I guess when you are in the world of pop music, you kind of have to remain poppy to stay pop
Debra Barb
@RumpelSoulSkin · 1:54
So if someone with a disability says that spas is offensive, I think that is all right. I don't have a disability that would make me offended by that term, but now I'm a part of that population, and so I'm going to be an ally and I'm going to go ahead and say thank you to Beyonce for being sensitive to the fact that her words were hurtful. And also, Lizzo, I think last summer did something similar
Dewuan .
@FryedOreo · 4:12
We look at language and respect different cultures and whatnot. But yeah, I guess I have to agree to disagree with the term spas. I'm scratching my head on that one. That's all. But thank you so much for responding to the swell. And if you feel like following up, you know where to find me
Debra Barb
@RumpelSoulSkin · 2:39
And it maybe isn't understood by everybody, but I'm thankful that they're doing that. And also the link that I shared in the previous reply did point out something else I think is an important part of the conversation. And I think something else that you kind of alluded to is that other populations of people have been getting away with this kind of language for a long time and they haven't been called out on it
And if you want to shut out not only those who are disabled, but anyone who is an ally, that's her choice. But I think it shows more compassion and thoughtfulness to reflect on how our words are affecting others or why we're choosing to use the certain words. Lizzo used the same exact word only last month and changed her lyrics. So I have a hard time getting on board with a similar perspective as you hold the one, but I can understand why you hold it
I just had another thought. De Juan. Are you saying that to bend or to admit you were wrong or you didn't know or to change one's mind is a sign of weakness?
Dewuan .
@FryedOreo · 4:58
When I realized, oh, I offended somebody with this. Oh, how so? Okay, I want to sit down and discuss. The UK finds the word spas offensive, and I would have brought the same conversation. What about the word crazy? We got crazy, and spazzing is a click wheel term for crazy. So you would think crazy would be the more but that is problematic then because it's still used in so many songs out there
Dewuan .
@FryedOreo · 2:37
Thank you for responding again. And you said you're disabled. I have two kids that are disabled. They are on the spectrum with autism. And I guess I'm just one of those people. If I hear somebody, it makes a joke about autism. I don't care, honestly. My love for my kids and my relationship with them is not defined by somebody's remark. But I get how it can, as a collective, bother people
I think you make a great point with respect to different reputations, different expectations and so on, in that depending on the artist, the type of reputation, the way that they carry themselves, the way whether they communicate, the lyrics we do use, et cetera, et cetera, there will be either more leeway or less
Dewuan .
@FryedOreo · 2:25
And I'm guessing it became slang turn from that to which interestingly enough, in the hood it became something to like someone's going crazy or wild. It's interesting how it took on these many different forms, but ultimately I guess the kernel of the idea still stayed the same
And there's so many words that I've learned from my UK Australian friend that she had to translate for me what she meant, because there were very different meanings here in North America. So I can imagine it being really difficult. And there's no way, right, that anyone can anticipate all of those potential meetings or if you'll even hear back
phil spade
@Phil · 2:38
Well, I've learned a lot by listening to this swell. And like De Juan, I was ultra confused when I first read this. I had no idea what was going on. I'd never heard of the term spas as a derogatory term and I learned that today. I just had no idea. And Christina explaining that it is from the UK makes a lot of sense because I just have never heard this in a derogatory way, unless you consider nerds derogatory
Dewuan .
@FryedOreo · 4:53
So hip hop in black culture is used to turning words of vitriol into words of rejoice, compliments camaraderie. And I think now when we are in the age of social media and in the age where information spread so fast in terms of there's so many groups out there online that will sort of be a watchdog or watch guard of what you can and cannot say. It becomes problematic with hip hop because we were our own culture that was of that at that time
Debra Barb
@RumpelSoulSkin · 2:02
I don't think it's just a hip hop thing. As somebody who's involved in sports for a long time and I played college basketball and then coached at my high school for quite some time, we would say things about the opposing team like, she's nasty, the point guard is just nasty. And that didn't mean she was gross and didn't take a shower or anything, but she's probably going to cross somebody over and break some ankles
Lance Watson
@lwatsonjr · 4:47
And when you do things like in her success by any measure perform on the grandest stages, you are backed by the grandest music houses and production houses. You have the names of many producers, directors, things like that on your album as a part of the project. And you are connected to so many different people that at the same time one demographic is in their late sixty s and they are loving some Beyonce because it reminds them of the glory days back when they were younger or whatever
Dewuan .
@FryedOreo · 4:45
I know it's weird to say, but Britney Spears went through a lot of this during her career when she had all things tried to transition out of like bubblegum pop music and go into something a bit more raunchy and it upset a lot of her fans and appearance of her fans. This was pre social media, so that was the good old fashioned calling up to places or sending mail or maybe email at that time. But yeah, with Beyonce she kind of gives me those vibes